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Old November 20, 2012, 01:08 AM   #1
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Don't like DA/SA?

For whatever reason?

Why not admit what you already know—that such dislike is a subjective expression of your preferences and not objective "truth" that covers what "everyone should use."

The DA/SA system isn't difficult to master. It isn't getting anyone killed. It is not "inferior," it's just different.

Folks who don't prefer most striker fired systems don't seem to trash them with the fervor that DA/SA is slammed with.
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Old November 20, 2012, 01:49 AM   #2
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I hadn't realized there where was so much acrimony coming from striker fans. I must not read enough of people's opinions on the internet.
That makes me feel happy actually, that's one less issue to be annoyed about. Thanks for posting this, it cheered me up!
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Old November 20, 2012, 01:58 AM   #3
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I like a consistent trigger pull, from the very first round to the very last round.
I shoot better with a consistent trigger pull.

And everyone I know shoots better with a consistent trigger pull.


Why does the DA/SA pistol exist?

*It was someone's idea of how to make a pistol more safe.


Does it make a pistol more safe?

*Some folks think it does.


But I don't know anyone who really believes that DA/SA makes for better accuracy.

It doesn't.

This is why you don't see DA/SA sniper rifles.
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Old November 20, 2012, 02:11 AM   #4
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I perfer double action firearms for a myriad of reasons one being that is what I have been firing for the most part since day one.
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Old November 20, 2012, 02:26 AM   #5
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I'll admit it..

I tried them, and ended up putting S/A triggers in them..
I just prefer a consistent trigger pull and length..
yes they can be mastered..that's not the issue

I just prefer S/A or striker fired or DAO to them..
mainly due to a consistient trigger pull..

just my druthers, everyone has ther own preference..
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Old November 20, 2012, 08:05 AM   #6
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It is not "inferior," it's just different.
That's why you don't see the DA/SA system on rifles. People know that it's just as good as that consistent trigger pull crap, they're just afraid to try something different.

Just think, if you sold a DA/SA system for AR15's and hunting rifles, you could end up with a million dollars*!





* (if you started with 2 million)
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Old November 20, 2012, 08:22 AM   #7
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I like a consistent trigger pull, from the very first round to the very last round.
I shoot better with a consistent trigger pull.

And everyone I know shoots better with a consistent trigger pull.
I think people need to look up the definition of consistent. It's not like you pull the trigger and sometimes it will be 10 lbs and then randomly will be 4.5 lbs and vice versa. It IS consistent. The first DA pull is always heavier. The SA pulls are always lighter. This fact doesn't change. It is consistent. What you want is the same weight with each pull. Consistent has nothing to do with it.

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That's why you don't see the DA/SA system on rifles. People know that it's just as good as that consistent trigger pull crap, they're just afraid to try something different.
On a pistol with a nice, smooth DA pull (which I admit not all DA/SA pistols have) my first shot will go right where I am aiming. Why? I've used this system for over a year straight. The way people talk about how "inaccurate" a DA pull is makes me wonder how anyone was ever killed by a DA revolver. They must have had to be 3 feet apart.

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That's why you don't see the DA/SA system on rifles. People know that it's just as good as that consistent trigger pull crap, they're just afraid to try something different.
Last I looked most rifles had manual safeties, not aware of too many with a trigger dingus.

As for accuracy, check out a little guy named Jerry Miculek. All those DA pulls and still accurate. Must be hacking.

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Old November 20, 2012, 08:48 AM   #8
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I prefer the DA/SA trigger system. It just plain works for me, that and a SAO like the 1911. I cant get comfortable shooting striker fired guns. I've owned Glocks, M&Ps, Kahrs, Taurus, etc and I hated them. Sigs and FNPs are (Sigs now) are my favorite guns, period.
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Old November 20, 2012, 08:59 AM   #9
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Don't like DA/SA?

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For whatever reason?

Why not admit what you already know—that such dislike is a subjective expression of your preferences and
Done...
I admit it's my preference to lean towards hammer fired S/A.
I never (foolishly) claimed otherwise.

Anything else you want me to own up to?
I don't care for lobster either - yuck!
Oddly....I love crab legs.
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:08 AM   #10
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Its all subjective and highly influenced by intended use.
I like SA/DA in steel pistols for the range.

For self defense I place a good deal of emphasis on first-shot placement and I'm far from convinced that a long DA pull is as good as a short striker fired pull right out of the draw, even with lots of practice its still more difficult.
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:25 AM   #11
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I LOVE a nice DA trigger pull.

I actually shoot more consistently with a Revolver in DA that I do SA. (My groups seem to wander around on me.)

I acutually used to use the NY trigger in my Glocks until my wife's complaining about it made me switch them back to stock.

In purely target shooting, a DA/SA trigger can be disconcerting. But in a draw and fire for your life drill, I don't even notice it.

If you pick an action type and train with it consistently, YOU will be consistent. Jumping from DA/SA to DAO to SA to Safe-Action etc will probably throw your "game" off more than the transition from DA/SA.

People really get hung up on some of Cooperisms, even when they aren't really true in real life.
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Old November 20, 2012, 10:54 AM   #12
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"The DA/SA system isn't difficult to master." [Gats Italian]

Its not too bad on a Sig, but that's about it, every other DA/SA is more difficult. (ie PPK, SW99, M9, etc). Of course if your DA/SA handgun has a hammer you can simply pull the hammer back and go SA all the way.

"It isn't getting anyone killed. " [Gats Italian]

Well if my first DA shot misses, it might get me killed.

"Don't like DA/SA? For whatever reason?" [Gats Italian]

I do like DA/SA, but gotta admit a pure striker fired pistol, ie, a PPS, a Glock, etc. can be drawn and fired more quickly/accurately than a hammer or striker fired DA/SA pistol.

And the first accurate hit is pretty important.
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Old November 20, 2012, 10:59 AM   #13
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It's been said before on this forum:

DA/SA pistols are..."Solutions in search of non-existent problems" (Jeff Cooper).

I agree with him on this but everyone has their own opinion.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:02 AM   #14
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Its not too bad on a Sig, but that's about it, every other DA/SA is more difficult.
That statement is so broad it might cover the Grand Canyon. I can think of a number of DA pulls that aren't too bad. HK P-series for one. Never heard anyone call the DA on a P99 "bad" before.

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Well if my first DA shot misses, it might get me killed.
If you're that bad with a DA then you need more training with it. At about 15 yds I typically put my DA shot 2" out from POA, conservatively. With a DA pull I've worked on a bit I don't really notice the difference. It's a training issue. Obviously a DA/SA pistol shouldn't be carried until competency with that system has been reached.

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I do like DA/SA, but gotta admit a pure striker fired pistol, ie, a PPS, a Glock, etc. can be drawn and fired more quickly/accuarately than a hammer or striker fired DA/SA pistol.
/Sigh. Again, look up Jerry Miculek. Must be camera tricks right?
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:03 AM   #15
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I have a revolutionary idea,,,

Why don't we stop trying to convince anyone or turn anyone.

Use what you prefer and just thumb your nose at anyone who rags you for it.

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Old November 20, 2012, 11:05 AM   #16
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Why don't we stop trying to convince anyone or turn anyone.
Then about 50% of the posts on this forum would disappear.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:14 AM   #17
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I don't care for lobster either - yuck!
Oddly....I love crab legs.

On the EXACT same page with that. I can eat pounds of crab legs! Won't touch a lobster though.


Anyways, yes...I prefer a consistent weight pull. However..My most fired handgun I own is my SIG P226. Which I adore. At one point I shot it better than all my other guns.

What changed? 1911's and Glocks in my hands due to one of my injuries being to my trigger finger. (which is fine now, I can shoot anything and it's perfect) I had 4-5 months where all I could shoot was a tuned 1911 and then Glock..and now I can shoot a 20lbs trigger. I just got used to the SA setup. Plus..the issued G22 and all.


Honestly, I like them both. I just really prefer SA only on most guns. My favorite DA/SA is my SIG and always will be.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:26 AM   #18
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I can eat pounds of crab legs! Won't touch a lobster though.
I have never had crab legs, seriously. I need to get on that.

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and now I can shoot a 20lbs trigger
You have a gun with a 20lbs trigger?!
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:26 AM   #19
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"/Sigh. Again, look up Jerry Miculek. Must be camera tricks right? " [TunnelRat]

Actually my go to carry guns are a 44 SPL and a 45 ACP (S&W Nightguards) .... I do, on occassion, carry a DA/SA pistol, purely as a BUG, of course.

After all, some of us folks can shoot sub 1" groups ... quickly.

Check your 6.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:29 AM   #20
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Actually my go to carry guns are a 44 SPL and a 45 ACP (S&W Nightguards) .... I do, on occassion, carry a DA/SA pistol, purely as a BUG, of course.
Then I wouldn't imagine you're missing too many DA pulls now are you?

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Well if my first DA shot misses, it might get me killed.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:40 AM   #21
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Why not admit what you already know—that such dislike is a subjective expression of your preferences and not objective "truth" that covers what "everyone should use."

The DA/SA system isn't difficult to master. It isn't getting anyone killed. It is not "inferior," it's just different.

Folks who don't prefer most striker fired systems don't seem to trash them with the fervor that DA/SA is slammed with.

Its like someone started a thread with the specific purpose of trolling. Who said there was "objective truth" involved?
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:45 AM   #22
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You have a gun with a 20lbs trigger?!
You ever torture tested a Glock?! In mud, dirt, water, sand, etc? lol that thing still works but boy does that trigger reach about a 15lbs pull!
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:48 AM   #23
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Why don't we stop trying to convince anyone or turn anyone.

Use what you prefer and just thumb your nose at anyone who rags you for it.

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Aarond wins! However this sort of facts and logic have no place on the intranetz young man!

Me? I have DA, DA/SA, and SAs. My CC is a DA because my primary IDPA is a DA and I didn't want to get confused if a really really really bad day appeared.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:51 AM   #24
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Its like someone started a thread with the specific purpose of trolling. Who said there was "objective truth" involved?
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The only objective truth is that all Glocks are DAO.
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Old November 20, 2012, 11:54 AM   #25
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I don't have any issues with DA/SA. I just don't need it. Specifically, I don't need the DA pull.

I like a lot of DA/SA platforms. CZs, EAA Witnesses, FN FNX, etc. There are a lot of great ones. Again, I simply don't view the DA pull as a bonus.
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