The Brady's and LCAV's Makeovers

**Al Norris** · November 16, 2012, 10:13 PM

You may or maynot be aware that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is doing a makeover (to preserve their relevance). You can see the results at We Are Better Than This!

This occured in mid-August.

Now, the Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV - a San Francisico attorney group) has done the same thing. They are now the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence (LCPGV - it just doesn't resonate as well). Going to their old website, http://www.lcav.org/ redirects you to http://smartgunlaws.org/.

Better yet, they are more critical of the States gun-laws than were the Brady's.

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws-mat...-gun-violence/

It should come as no surprise, which States have received an "A" and which were given an "F" (Idaho rated an "F" - Yippee)!!

cannonfire · November 16, 2012, 11:29 PM

Sooooo according to that map, Montana has more gun deaths than Illinois? Do the people who publish this stuff actually believe their own lies?

Georgia got a D! That's the only time I've been happy with a D

Glockstar .40 · November 17, 2012, 12:28 AM

evidently its safer to live in cali then wyoming?? ill have to remember that when im driving through the ghettos of buford

lol

BarryLee · November 17, 2012, 01:13 AM

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Georgia got a D! That's the only time I've been happy with a D

This is a travesty I demand to know why we didn’t get an F?

**Spats McGee** · November 17, 2012, 12:22 PM

Arkansas got an F! According to the website, we ranked 36th out of 50. I wanted to tally up our points to see how we did, but I just don't have time this morning. For those that are interested, the "scorecard" can be found here: http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/u...ethodology.pdf

Crankgrinder · November 17, 2012, 12:51 PM

I notice every time i see political ads like these they refer to "protecting the second amendment", or "acknowledge second amendment rights while looking for solutions that will save lives" but they never state how they plan to do both at the same time. Maybe because they cant.

SPEMack618 · November 17, 2012, 12:53 PM

Ha! I made the same grade on my stat test as my state did. great!

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Originally Posted by BarryLee

This is a travesty I demand to know why we didn’t get an F?

I would reckon it is because while GA is a shall issue state, you still have to go see the probate judge and then get fingerprinted before they let issue said permit.

Stressfire · November 17, 2012, 02:23 PM

Ohio gets a D, lol

Only time I've been proud of a D in my life

CowTowner · November 18, 2012, 11:51 AM

As a Texan, I'm honored to receive the F awarded to us. And I think it's about time we were properly recognized for our gun laws and their "shortcomings".

Webleymkv · November 18, 2012, 12:25 PM

Since Indiana recieved an "F" I can only assume that "F" stands for "Freedom".

MTHall720 · November 18, 2012, 12:34 PM

I don't think I want to know what letter grade Maryland has. I would guess an A. Wish it was here like it was when I lived in Oregon and Montana.

Warrior1256 · November 18, 2012, 08:56 PM

Kentucky always receives an "F" rating from the Brady Bunch. I am very proud.

Aguila Blanca · November 18, 2012, 11:39 PM

Hmmm ...

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As the nation’s only organization devoted exclusively to providing legal assistance in support of gun violence prevention, LCAV is actively involved in supporting state and local governments’ defense of Second Amendment litigation, educating courts, governments, and the public about the meaning of the Second Amendment, and developing common sense gun violence prevention legislation that complies with the Heller decision.

Read their information about the 2nd Amendment, the Heller case and the McDonald case, and you have to ask yourself: How can they presume to educate anyone about the 2nd Amendment when it's painfully obvious they don't understand it themselves?

**Tom Servo** · November 19, 2012, 01:34 AM

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How can they presume to educate anyone about the 2nd Amendment when it's painfully obvious they don't understand it themselves?

Oh, they understand it well enough to distort its meaning.

Remember when they were swearing that the 2nd Amendment was about the National Guard and had nothing to do with individual liberty? Well, Heller blew that out of the water, so they had to shift gears. That's when we started hearing about "reasonable" regulation.

It's the same thing any PR company does well: damage control.

Aguila Blanca · November 20, 2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Oh, they understand it well enough to distort its meaning.

Remember when they were swearing that the 2nd Amendment was about the National Guard and had nothing to do with individual liberty? Well, Heller blew that out of the water, so they had to shift gears. That's when we started hearing about "reasonable" regulation.

It's the same thing any PR company does well: damage control.

Yes, and it's also when we started hearing that the 2nd Amendment is about having the right to keep a gun for self defense in the home. Curiously, I have gone back and read it again ... several times ... and none of the copies I've been able to find seem to have the words "in the home" anywhere to be found.

I know, you know, and a lot of thinking people know. It's the others we have to worry about.

November 16, 2012, 10:13 PM	#1
Al Norris Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 8,743	The Brady's and LCAV's Makeovers You may or maynot be aware that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is doing a makeover (to preserve their relevance). You can see the results at We Are Better Than This! This occured in mid-August. Now, the Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV - a San Francisico attorney group) has done the same thing. They are now the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence (LCPGV - it just doesn't resonate as well). Going to their old website, http://www.lcav.org/ redirects you to http://smartgunlaws.org/. Better yet, they are more critical of the States gun-laws than were the Brady's. http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws-mat...-gun-violence/ It should come as no surprise, which States have received an "A" and which were given an "F" (Idaho rated an "F" - Yippee)!! __________________ Listings of the Current 2A Cases: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416973

November 16, 2012, 11:29 PM	#2
cannonfire Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 473	Sooooo according to that map, Montana has more gun deaths than Illinois? Do the people who publish this stuff actually believe their own lies? Georgia got a D! That's the only time I've been happy with a D __________________ Segui il tuo corso e lascia dir le genti - Dante Blaming guns for crime is like blaming the planes for 9/11

November 17, 2012, 12:22 PM	#5
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,314	Arkansas got an F! According to the website, we ranked 36th out of 50. I wanted to tally up our points to see how we did, but I just don't have time this morning. For those that are interested, the "scorecard" can be found here: http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/u...ethodology.pdf __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

November 17, 2012, 02:23 PM	#8
Stressfire Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,497	Ohio gets a D, lol Only time I've been proud of a D in my life __________________ "The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" - Montgomery Scott

November 18, 2012, 11:51 AM	#9
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 976	As a Texan, I'm honored to receive the F awarded to us. And I think it's about time we were properly recognized for our gun laws and their "shortcomings". __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearm Safety and Basic Pistol Instructor "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

November 17, 2012, 12:28 AM	#3
Glockstar .40 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2012 Location: Orygun Posts: 210	evidently its safer to live in cali then wyoming?? ill have to remember that when im driving through the ghettos of buford lol

November 17, 2012, 12:51 PM	#6
Crankgrinder Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 529	I notice every time i see political ads like these they refer to "protecting the second amendment", or "acknowledge second amendment rights while looking for solutions that will save lives" but they never state how they plan to do both at the same time. Maybe because they cant.

November 18, 2012, 12:25 PM	#10
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,405	Since Indiana recieved an "F" I can only assume that "F" stands for "Freedom". __________________ Smith, and Wesson, and Me. -H. Callahan Well waddaya know, one buwwet weft! -E. Fudd All bad precedents begin as justifiable measures. -J. Caesar

November 18, 2012, 12:34 PM	#11
MTHall720 Member Join Date: November 7, 2012 Location: Central Maryland Posts: 58	I don't think I want to know what letter grade Maryland has. I would guess an A. Wish it was here like it was when I lived in Oregon and Montana.

November 18, 2012, 08:56 PM	#12
Warrior1256 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 144	Kentucky always receives an "F" rating from the Brady Bunch. I am very proud.