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Old April 2, 2012, 05:17 PM   #1
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Shipping Rifles / Shotguns

I have a question related to the closed thread about sending a gun USPS. My question is, if my family wants to ship me 3 or 4 rifles / shotguns etc. Are we allowed to do this? Obviously neither of us are FFL's.
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Old April 2, 2012, 06:31 PM   #2
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If you're in the same state, you're fine. If not, the transfer must go through an FFL.
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Old April 2, 2012, 07:17 PM   #3
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UPS is the only one i have found to allow of shipping of rifles/handguns by a civilian. I had to ship a Lee Enfield and Fedex told me they wouldn't ship it even though there policy says they will and USPS doesnt ship weapons at all that i am aware of and even if they did, i wouldnt let them touch it cause it would get destroyed. I would have them ship it UPS and you won't have any issues
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Old April 2, 2012, 08:11 PM   #4
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As a non-ffl, you can ship long guns through UPS, FedEx, or USPS. Boosted, I don't know about your dealings with FedEx, but they WILL ship guns. You're completely off about USPS.
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Old April 2, 2012, 09:14 PM   #5
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Technically, only "Dealers" can ship interstate via the USPS. The question is....are both 01 and 03 FFLs "dealers"? Past practice leans towards yes.
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Old April 3, 2012, 12:07 AM   #6
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Technically, only "Dealers" can ship interstate via the USPS. The question is....are both 01 and 03 FFLs "dealers"? Past practice leans towards yes.
Only dealers can ship handguns through USPS. Anyone can ship long guns.
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Old April 3, 2012, 04:41 PM   #7
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UPS is the only one i have found to allow of shipping of rifles/handguns by a civilian.
incorrect - I have shipped rifles and shotguns through USPS and Fedex as a non-FFl with no issues

Depending on who he is shipping them to, a FFL on the receiving end may or may not be necessary
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Old April 3, 2012, 05:46 PM   #8
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From a THR thread...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=651375

How to ship firearms

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Federal law allows ANYONE to ship a firearm. (Your state law may differ)
What is below is what is allowed by Federal law.

What is a firearm?
Well, its both the complete firearm and the frame or receiver of a disassembled firearm. It's internet myth that a disassembled firearm magically loses its legal status when field stripped. Whoever promotes or repeats the myth that it is "just machine parts" is a complete and total idiot and should never be consulted about firearms again....because that is contrary to Federal law. (not to mention common sense)

Who can you ship to?
All interstate shipments of firearms must be addressed to a licensed firearms dealer (often called an FFL). The exceptions are:
1. when you ship to yourself at an address in another state and
2. the return of a firearm you sent to a manufacturer to be repaired.

Federal law allows you to ship a firearm to a resident of the same state (intrastate) as long as you have no reason to believe that the recepient is a prohibited person.

How do I know the recepient is a licensed dealer?
There is no requirement for a nonlicensee (mere mortals) to have an actual copy of the receiving dealers FFL. You can verify that the recepient is a dealer through the ATF FFL EZcheck. (When FFL's ship we are required to have a copy of the receiving dealers license before we can ship)

Be aware that some dealers refuse to accept shipments from nonlicensees as their personal business policy. Usually this is because they are terrified that the package will arrive with an RPG inside and no information as to who shipped it. Although it is not required by law, it is common courtesy to include a copy of your drivers license (for nonlicensees) or a copy of your FFL (for dealers). Dealers are required to record the identity of the person from they received the firearm from.....and a DL or FFL makes this easy. If you refuse to comply with the request for a DL or FFL.....then don't ship the gun. As evidenced by recent threads, the dealer may refuse to accept the package or delay the transfer to the buyer until he has the documents he requested.

Newspaper is for dolts, pros use bubble wrap
When you prepare your firearm for shipment, avoid newspaper like the plague. It crushes easily, provides little protective value and if wadded tightly....weighs a ton and weight adds $$$$ to your shipping costs.

A good rule of thumb is to package the gun as if it were a prized family heirloom. Put yourself in the shoes of the buyer.....who deserves to get the gun as depicted in the auction/WTS forum, etc

I've received guns wrapped in newspaper, vinyl float tubes, foam mattresses, Saran Wrap, plastic WalMart bags, baby diapers, bath towels.....obviously the shipper does not know the physical nature of package delivery or they just flat dont care whether the gun arrives in one piece. If your shipment is damaged, both UPS and FedEx will deny claims if you do not use PROPER packing materials (and newspaper is not one of them).

Where do i get cheap packing materials?
Try a gun store. They will have loads of excellent USED packing materials: bubble wrap, packing peanuts, kraft paper, air pillows, etc.

As far as packaging, the only Federal law you need to be aware of is identifying the contents as a "firearm"...........DON'T! This means you cannot mark "Fragile...EXPENSIVE GUN INSIDE" on the outside of the box. It also means you don't ship that Remington 700 in the factory cardboard box that has a giant REMINGTON in big green letters on the outside. (this is secret code for STEAL ME NOW) Simply slide the factory box inside another cardboard box. UPS and FedEx will not accept boxes with paper wrappers, although the USPS will.......but don't do it. Your label can easily be torn off.

Where do I get a cardboard box big enough to ship a rifle/shotgun?
Again, try a gun store. I throw out (into my Al Gore recycle bin) cardboard boxes every day. I always have extras stored in my garage. If you are shipping a $1,000 rifle or shotgun don't go get all frugal and jam that gun in a box you handmade from fifteen free UPS boxes that you taped together with duct tape......consider spending $10-15 on a plastic Plano or Dosko hard case. Consider removing the barrel from shotguns, as a short box is more rigid than a long box and that is better.

So, where can I ship my firearm?
USPS- will accept rifles and shotguns from ANYONE. Handguns and other firearms like frames, receivers, AR lowers are not mailable unless you are a licensed dealer or manufacturer. Even holders of an 03FFL "Collector of Curios & Relics" cannot mail or recieve by mail, a firearm other than a rifle or shotgun.

There is no requirement to notify USPS that you are shippping a rifle or shotgun. There are no forms to give them, you do not need to show them the FFL of the receiving dealer.

The ONLY persons REQUIRED to notify USPS that they are shipping a firearms are licensed dealers and manufacturers....and then only when shipping a handgun. If you are not a dealer and are asked to sign a Form 1508......don't do it! You would be falsifying a Federal document and the USPS clerk who asked you to do so is an idiot.

UPS- Will accept firearms from ANYONE as long as you follow their firearm shipping policies: http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/res...ch_phr=handgun
In short, You cannot ship firearms from a UPS Store, or third party retailer....you have to ship from a UPS Service Center. UPS policy says you must notify them that you are shipping a firearm. Federal law only requires notification if you are shipping interstate to a nonlicensee. Generally thats a Federal crime (You can ship a firearm to yourself in another state...but only you can ship it and only you can open it)

UPS allows rifles and shotguns to go "Ground". Handguns must go "Next Day". if you choose to ignore UPS policies expect to get nada on any insurance claim for loss, damage or theft.

FedEx-Will accept firearms from ANYONE as long as you follow their firearm shipping policies:http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guid...xpress-ground/
FedEx has changed their firearms policies three times in the last year. It appears that you can still ship from ANY FedEx Office location.

FedEx allows rifles and shotguns to go "Ground". Handguns must go "Priority Overnight". If you choose to ignore FedEx policies expect to get nada on any insurance claim for loss, damage or theft.
FedEx requires you notify them when you are shipping a firearm.

It's in a box, what do I do now?
Go to USPS.com, UPS.com and Fedex.com and compare rates!
You'll need to know the weight, box dimensions and destination zip code to get a price.

You can then:
Take it to the carrier or post office and pay at the counter OR..............better yet, pay for and print a shipping label from home. This is CHEAPER than doing it at the post office.

My recommendations:
USPS- ALWAYS go Priority Mail with Insurance for FULL VALUE and Signature Confirmation. "Parcel Post" is cheaper but takes MUCH longer to get to the destination........the longer its in transit, the more opportunity to get lost, damaged or stolen. To me it isn't worth the small difference in price.
As no notification is EVER required at USPS.....they are the option with the smallest hassle factor.

UPS/FedEx- For rifles and shotguns I use UPS or FedEx Ground.....its usually cheaper than USPS Priority Mail and they offer true "tracking". Again, get insurance for the full value and signature confirmation. NOTE:USC 478.31 (d) "No common or contract carrier shall knowingly deliver in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm without obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt from the recipient of the package or other container in which there is a firearm" What does this mean? You pay for Signature Confirmation.

Hey! UPS & FedEx want to charge me $60 to ship a handgun!
Then don't do it.
Find a local dealer who will ship it for you.......via USPS Priority Mail. Handguns that will fit in a USPS medium Flat Rate Box with $1000 worth of insurance and Signature Confirmation ships for less than $27. If the dealer tacks on a reasonable fee (I charge $10) then you pay almost half of what you would pay if you did it yourself......and the receiving dealer won't pitch a hissy fit because you forgot to enclose your drivers license.
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Old April 6, 2012, 06:33 PM   #9
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In reference to shipping firearms by USPS or UPS, it depends on who is on duty at the particular location you wish to ship from. Some clerks either do not know the rules or possibly do not wish to facilitate the transfer of firearms. (I lean to the former explanation, based on experience with "customer service" at other places.) I recently had to visit three different post offices before I found a clerk who knew that individuals could ship long guns to FFL holders in another state. I was using the USPS because the clerk at the local UPS office wanted to charge me next-day rates for a long gun when the rule requiring that rate only applied to handguns.
You may be able to get a UPS or a USPS employee to consult the written policies and procedures and follow them, but you probably won't make any friends that way. Just be advised that when trying to ship a firearm the person you are dealing with may not know the rules and be prepared for the possibility. I have no direct experience but i suspect the same caution may well apply to FedEx. Note that UPS polices are available on their web site, and the USPS Domestic Mail Manual is available online. It might be a useful tactic to print out the relevant portions and take them with you when trying to ship a gun if you aren't familiar with the people you will have to deal with.
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Old April 7, 2012, 08:43 PM   #10
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As I said earlier, my local PO has no issues shipping long arms, nor does my local Fedex - they asked me if the recipient was a FFL since the word "gun" wasn't in the address - I said yes and I deliberately left out that word on a few shipments - the clerk agreed that was a good thing to do
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Old April 10, 2012, 01:54 PM   #11
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Fairly sure Fed-ex only accepts firearm shipments at their distribution centers. Their office stores and such will not accept them and may be posted.
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Old April 10, 2012, 03:39 PM   #12
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johnwilliamson062 Fairly sure Fed-ex only accepts firearm shipments at their distribution centers. Their office stores and such will not accept them and may be posted.
UPS requires that direarms be shipped only from a customer service center.

FedEx has no longer has such policy.http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guid...und/index.html
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Old November 14, 2012, 06:31 PM   #13
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Just wanted to relay my experience with shipping a long gun (shotgun) today.
AimPro Tactical on their website suggests FedEx Ground. Went to FedEx and was told (and shown in their shipping rules book) that all firearms are required to be sent Express Overnight (now over $130 from $20 something). I explained it wasn't a handgun and was shown that all firearms cannot be sent ground. I read extensively on the internet that people do this via FedEx ground all the time, so I looked up on FedEx's website and sure enough it states that FedEx Ground can only ship firearms between FFL's (meaning both parties have to have an FFL). So after reading online I went to the US Post Office and was prepared to ship the item via Priority Mail Registered from what I read online. The postal clerk read up and after confirming verbally it was not a handgun (it's a felony just carrying a handgun into a post office) and was unloaded and I stated the receipient has a Manufacterer's FFL, I was able to send it via Priority Mail and registered (adds $10.95) was not required, just recommened (but she advised me not to send it registered because I would have had to remove all the clear tape and use the special paper tape that you wet to send it registered). So with insurance it came out to about $52 to ship via USPS Priority Mail for the 10lbs. 6oz. box.

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Old November 15, 2012, 09:44 AM   #14
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I have received and shipped antique style muzzle loading rifles with no problem. I use click and ship from home. One was even in a plastic rifle case. The questions asked do not include firearms. Any firearm is possible to be shipped without so identifying. I'm not saying handguns would be legal but if shipped without identifying it is not likely there would be a problem.
If taken to a PO that is another story. Bureaucrat clerks like to exercise power and you could be required to identify contents even if the law doesn't. And you could be denied even if the law allows. Arguing will only cause you frustration.
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