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Old November 14, 2012, 08:11 PM   #26
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Metal god - your post said just about everything I was going to and better.

I was going to say it seems they're okay gun-wise, I just hope they didn't strain anything back-peddling that hard.

I know there are sites that 'rate' charities but I don't know which charity rating sites are any good. Anybody got some they think do a good job?
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Old November 14, 2012, 09:37 PM   #27
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I'm glad that WWP finally responded with a modicum of judgment. But they have lost a lot of credibility with me.

As far as the earlier question/comment "Has anyone tried to contact upper administration? Sometimes we find lower level PR or legal folks putting in policies that seem strange at best. Is there a contact with the top ranks? That's the place to contact.

The girl who responded to Tom Gresham was the corporate Director of Public Relations. That's usually the top of the PR food chain.
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Old November 14, 2012, 09:54 PM   #28
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More: http://www.examiner.com/node/55389381?cid=db_articles

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We welcome the opportunity to have a warrior on Mr. Gresham’s show to discuss how hunting or events of the like have supported their recovery... We responded too quickly to his request and should have delved a bit deeper.
From http://professionaloutdoormedia.org/node/7384

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I would welcome any spokesperson from WWP on the show to talk specifically about the policy about firearms. I certainly will give you the floor to clarify your position. There are many questions, as you know. Nothing in my email exchange with Ms. Coleman was about cobranding. It was clear that the WWP would not appear on my radio show because we talk about firearms. That certainly is your prerogative. There is, however, much confusion with those who have donated to the Wounded Warrior Project (individuals and corporate donors) on what appears to be a discrepancy -- WWP will not appear at events or talk to media when it's about firearms, but WWP is okay with taking those donations.
Complete emails at the second link above.

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Old November 15, 2012, 07:37 PM   #29
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Sadly, the equivocation offered by the Wounded Warrior Project folks concerning suicide and service memebers is somewhat common, in my experience anyway.

After my Guard unit got back from the big Sandbox, we underwent a very brief cursory screening for PTSD and the like.

After answering my questionnaire and speaking briefly with a therapist of some ilk, my Platoon Sergeant informed me the he had been "counseled" that as a gun owner in the civilian world, I was deemed at risk, in addition to answering 'yes' to nightmares and drinking. (I'm a frat boy, I drank before we went downrange)

All that being said, post deployment suicide is a horrible problem in our military and among our veterans, but it's downright dishonest that WWP would try to hide behind it.
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Old November 15, 2012, 09:07 PM   #30
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Looks like the CEO of WWP will be on Tom Gresham's show on Sunday. http://www.examiner.com/article/afte...ar-on-gun-talk

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Old November 15, 2012, 09:37 PM   #31
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Seems hypocritical.
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Old November 15, 2012, 10:26 PM   #32
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Looks like the CEO of WWP will be on Tom Gresham's show on Sunday
Let's give him a chance. I don't like the policy either, but WWP is an important cause.
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Old November 16, 2012, 08:05 AM   #33
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Let's give him a chance. I don't like the policy either, but WWP is an important cause.
This thread is 2 pages long - here's his chance. I don't mind coming right out and declaring that I will have nothing to do with "important causes" tied to gun control. I guess they think it's ok for a veteran to have a gun when he is at war, but as soon as he comes home, he's labeled "at risk" just because he has a gun. Sorry, I think you are wrong on this - their policy is clearly stated. Why should we tolerate or support ANYTHING tied to gun banning?
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Old November 16, 2012, 01:06 PM   #34
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I think the chance we're giving them is the chance to CHANGE the policy, not a chance to explain why we misunderstand. The policy IS clear. It needs to change.
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Old November 16, 2012, 05:12 PM   #35
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After writing a vigorous email concerning this I received this response.

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We appreciate your concern regarding this matter. First, these questions arose as a result of a miscommunicated message when declining an opportunity for WWP to appear on Gun Talk Radio. This mistake has unfortunately led some people to question our support of the 2nd Amendment.

Please know WWP wholeheartedly supports the Constitution of the United States of America, which includes the Second Amendment. We recognize these are the freedoms our Alumni fought and sacrificed to protect!

WWP has a long history of facilitating therapeutic hunting and outdoor opportunities for Wounded Warriors as well as fundraising activities that involve firearms.

Thank you for your support of Wounded Warrior Project as we continue to honor and empower wounded warriors.

Sincerely,
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O: 904.405.1350
M: 904.625.6491
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Old November 16, 2012, 05:25 PM   #36
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Brian Pfleuger, you say that WWP does not accept donations from gun companies...but a previous post points out that Kahr arms made a sizable donation to WWP.

I am confused by your statement...and the wording of their policy.
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Old November 16, 2012, 05:51 PM   #37
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WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies

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or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies/, or from alcohol or firearms companies.
Its not just one long statement . There are commas and periods breaking it up in very specific places . The way this part of the policy reads to me is .

S&W wants to sell a gun , holster , shirt what ever and states 90% of all PROCEEDS go to the WWP , Because of how there policy is written the WWP most decline the donation . This is why the wording needs to change . Not cus they are gun haters but because it's poorly written and can be easily be misunderstood . Is this how it reads to you guys ?
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Old November 17, 2012, 01:16 PM   #38
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It needs to be clarified whether WWP's wording needs to be changed because KAHR ARMS made a $50K donation to WWP in May of 2012.

http://www.kahr.com/kahr-news.asp
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Old November 17, 2012, 01:47 PM   #39
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Is this how it reads to you guys ?
No. That's not how it reads. There are commas separating subjects but there's only period. Commas are used to include multiple items in a list.

We may misunderstand the intent but there's no misunderstanding that sentence.
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Old November 17, 2012, 10:06 PM   #40
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I missed the show today did anybody listen to it and how did it go
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Old November 19, 2012, 02:55 PM   #41
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MG, the show is on Sundays.

I listened to the interview with Steve Nardizzi, CEO at WWP, on Tom's Sunday show. You can listen via podcast, or download it to your computer and play the JPG audio.

http://www.guntalk.com/site41.php

Mr Nardizzi, is a lawyer. Now there's SOME good lawyers out there, but try to nail one down to get a clear statement from one. Like pinning a snake to a board in a straight line! . Mr Nardizzi is no different. I've seldom heard so much double talk and waste of breath like that. Tom G. repeatedly tried to get him to admit they're just plain anti-gun.

Bottom line is they won't co-brand with anything that they can't get a return on investment, ROI. Specifically, you couldn't use their logo on a gun or knife. It's mainly because of lawyers behind every bush, ready to sue if your logo is used and somebody gets hurt or doesn't like your involvement.

My bottom line is I'm going to block their access to my checking account, which is how they would get my monthly pledge.
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Old November 19, 2012, 04:47 PM   #42
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Only 15% of donations go to WW's? Sounds like George Soros set it up.
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Old November 19, 2012, 06:11 PM   #43
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Only 15% of donations go to WW's? Sounds like George Soros set it up.
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Old November 19, 2012, 06:56 PM   #44
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I caught a few minutes ofthe CEO on Guntalk this past Sunday. I do believe Gresham scored some very good points.

I will let Tom chime in, if he is around.
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Old November 19, 2012, 08:22 PM   #45
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A recording of the interview is here. You want the show from 11/18, part 1.

Gresham put Steve Nardizzi in a corner, but...no, wait. He didn't. Nardizzi did that to himself. He claims that the organization "obviously supports the 2nd Amendment" and cites their cross-promotions with hunting events.

However, he claims that WWP doesn't engage in "co-branding" with firearms manufacturers because there's a great deal of regulation on "cause-marketing opportunities," and that the return on investment isn't lucrative enough.

I'm not sure that's any less insulting.

Personally, I remain conflicted. Their policy is obviously and patently offensive.

However, I can't argue with the good work they do. I have friends who've benefited from their assistance. If I were to cease involvement with every company that didn't support the gun culture, I'd need to go through my house and throw a lot of things out.
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Old November 19, 2012, 10:33 PM   #46
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Two words: Fisher House.

No, I don't work for them, but they help bring family members to our wounded warriors. If I was "all blowed up," I'd want family to keep me going.

God bless them.
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Old November 20, 2012, 02:28 AM   #47
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Interesting it sounds like political correctness run rampant
I agree, it seems nonsensical to not support the Wounded Warriors Project because the organization doesn't want to be associated with whatever your political persuasion is.
Lets be clear, guns are highly political. Many if not most posters on this site make political decisions based solely on firearms issues. That alone would be reason enough, for an organization that wanted to be non-partisan, to avoid association with firearms.

One poster belittled the notion that the association between returning soldiers and firearms. I'd like to point out that very few American vets are Japanese citizens.
The suicide rates amongst vets is a national tragedy.
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Michael Ecker, a 25-year-old Iraq war veteran, called out to his father from a leafy spot in their backyard. Then, as the two stood just steps apart, Michael saluted, raised a gun to his head and pulled the trigger.
Veterans frequently do use firearms to commit suicide. I don't think it is out of order for WWP to want to stay away from associations with firearms on that account.

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They don't want your money.
That is just silly talk. There is a vast difference between accepting donations from an organization and giving you imprimatur to that same organization.

Charities that are aimed at helping gamblers or addicts accept money from casinos and alcohol producers, but they don't have links on their web sites to the Billagio or Budweiser.

I'd like to suggest that only reason to support or not support a charity whose mission you agree with, is how well they fulfill their mission.
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Old November 20, 2012, 07:19 AM   #48
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....but WWP is an important cause.
No it's not. You're conflating an organization with the people it purports to serve.

If you believe that wounded warriors are an important cause - and they are - then there a number of other organizations that you can donate money or time to other than WWP.
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:05 AM   #49
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I agree with Tom Servo and continue to donate to WWP.
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:20 AM   #50
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If WWP was the only charity, or even the best, that does what they do, I could understand contributing.

They're not the only or the best. Even without the gun issue, why contribute?

I see no controversy around The Fisher House, they have an A rating every place I've checked and they report 4% administrative costs.

Just the difference between WWPs approximately 15% and Fisher House's 4% would change my donation.
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