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Old October 31, 2013, 10:44 PM   #1
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Remington 700 VS Savage Model 10

is this an Accurate?
i'm looking for a 30-06/or 308 with a 26 inch barrel
any suggestions all the ones i've looked at are 7 MM magnum at 26 IN?
or which one is better savage or Remington
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Old October 31, 2013, 11:09 PM   #2
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Savage will be more accurate most likely. Probably be a little better quality as well. And my opinion is .06 for hunting and .308 for target depends on what you want and what you are going to do. They are both good rounds but i would say the .308 for target just because if you dont reload it will be the cheaper of the two to feed. Cheaper ammo means more ammo you can shoot.
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Old November 1, 2013, 07:21 AM   #3
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As for "looks", the Remington beats the Savage. For accuracy, I'm hearing that Remington basic models are not performing as well as we used to expect from them. I've had some pretty rough new Savages lately but I haven't shot a new Remington for many years.
I'd prefer a lightly used 20-30 year old Remington 700 over either new model but you're unlikely to find one with a factory 26" barrel. I think Savage made a 26" .308 within the last few years but it was a heavy barrel.
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Old November 1, 2013, 07:52 AM   #4
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Off the shelf, no mods or work, Savage hands down.

Mods, new trigger (factory one sucks), new stock, etc, Remington can be made into a heck of a gun. The SPS line comes from the factory as a basic barreled action, everything else is junk.
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Old November 1, 2013, 08:19 AM   #5
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Wow, these times we live in. Who would have ever thought Savage rifles would supplant Remington rifles for recommendations of accuracy and quality? I still would really like to have a nice stainless/walnut CDL someday.

There's a reason it's hard to find a hunting rifle with a 26" barrel. I don't think you would have too much loss in .308/-06 with a 24" barrel. If you want a heavy barrel, Marlin's X7VH comes with a 26" in .308win. and it's a nice gun very similar to the Savage.
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Old November 1, 2013, 09:09 AM   #6
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this an Accurate?
i'm looking for a 30-06/or 308 with a 26 inch barrel
First off what is the intended purpose of the rifle? The VS has been discontinued, and as far as I know wasn't ever offered in .308 or .30-06. The Savage 10 is the basic model Savage unless you are just using it as a generic term, and is usually only offered with a 22" barrel.

Now the Remington SPS Varmint, Varmint SF, Target Tactical and XCR Long Range are offered in .308 Win with a 26" barrel. Savage Long Range Hunter, FT/R, BVSS, and Bench Rest models all come in 26" barreled .308 Win. The longest barrel you'll probably find in .30-06 will be a 24" barrel offered by Remington the Savage will more than likely be a 22".

Now if you're going to use any of these for hunting I'd buy the XCR LR from Remington or the Savage LRH since both basic rifles weigh around 8.5 lbs they wouldn't be terrible to carry all day once you scoped, loaded the magazine, and put a sling on them. You'll probably come in around 10 lbs all up, and while not the lightest rifle still it isn't terrible.

For target shooting the choice is what is in your budget. The SPS Varmint will be the cheapest of all the rifles. I haven't had my hands on one of these rifles, and don't know how good the stock is. However, you can pick up a B&C stock for less than $300 that will give you a decent stock and still probably be less than the other Remington and Savage models.

As far as to which is more accurate? They are probably more accurate than most of the people shooting them. Having owned a few of each type of rifle, I haven't found Savage to be any more accurate than the Remington M700. I like Savage and Remington both, and choose them based on what I want to do with them. I hunt more than target shoot, and I prefer M70 and M98 style of rifles over the Savage and Remington.
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Old November 1, 2013, 10:16 AM   #7
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+1 to saltydog235

The remington sps-v is plenty accurate for hunting, right off the shelf. But it is pretty much a barreled action. For target shooting, plan on some mods.
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Old November 1, 2013, 11:55 AM   #8
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Also consider too if you want to modify the rifle... The Remington has more aftermarket support (though that gap is closing more and more) but many of the savage modifications can be done yourself in the garage. Personally I reccommend the savage.
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Old November 1, 2013, 12:42 PM   #9
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Savage Model 10 FCP-K is a 24 inch barrel with a 2 inch muzzle brake.
It shoots great out of the box. I have a .308 and my son has both the .308 and .223. I also have a 10 FP (old 24 inch barrel version) without the AccuStock but with the AccuTrigger. Both of our 10 FCP-Ks are slightly more accurate than the older 10 FP if you measure with a caliper over a large number of groups.
Two of my buddies bought a 10 FCP from Dick's - they have a 24 inch model with a fluted barrel made by Savage for them - and both shot great out of the box for just over $ 600. That is a really good deal on a good shooting rifle.
Between myself and my son and 4 range buddies, we have a total of 9Savage Model 10s - 7 of them are .308s and 1 Model 12. All of the Savages shot great right out of the box and all are factory.

My Remington 700 SPS was cheaper to purchase but needed a better trigger (I bought a Timney) and a sturdier stock (I bought a Boyd and Carlson Medalist). I got a great shooting rifle after the modifications. It cost about the same amount as the Savage and gained about 0.25 inches in accuracy with the trigger and stock replacements. It now shoots on par with the Savage for about the same total price and about $150 more than the Dick's specials.

It depends on whether you want an out of the box shooter or want to modify your rifle to make it shoot well.
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Old November 1, 2013, 01:58 PM   #10
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Savage in .308
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Old November 5, 2013, 12:56 PM   #11
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I've got four Savage rifles and one Remington 700 SPS. That one Remington will probably be the only one I'll ever own. The factory barrel had a throat so long as to be ridiculous, flimsy plastic stock, poor feeding and a firing pin hole that was too big (primer flow with everything). After gunsmith Mike Bryant re-barrel it to .260 Remington and did his magic it became one of my favorite rifles... out of the box, not so much.
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Old November 5, 2013, 02:20 PM   #12
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I have shot animals with a Sav 110, Rem700, Win M70, 98 Mauser, Ruger #1, Win 1885, and Handi Rifle.
I have shot a lot of other center fire rifles at the range.
I have rebarreled and re stocked Sav 110 and Rem 700 rifles.
In the past two weeks I killed prairie dogs with a Sav 110 and a mule buck deer with a Rem700.

I feel qualified to say there is not much difference between them.

The rem 700 has:
1) receiver made from round tubing
2) push feed
3) little wimpy extractor
4) safety on trigger
5) simple bolt
6) bolt handle tacked on with screw and solder
7) The soldered and screwed bolt handle is in a slot in the receiver.
8) recoil lug is a modified washer that is captured by the receiver and barrel
9) round hole in bolt face for spring loaded plunger ejector
10) No inner C ring, so the only thing holding the barrel to the receiver is the tenon threads in tension.

The Sav 110 has:
1) receiver made from round tubing
2) push feed
3) little wimpy extractor
4) safety on trigger
5) simple bolt
6) bolt handle tacked on with screw and eccentric hole over eccentric bolt sleeve
7) The soldered and screwed bolt handle is in a slot in the receiver.
8) recoil lug is a modified washer that is captured by the receiver and barrel
9) round hole in bolt face for spring loaded plunger ejector
10) No inner C ring, so the only thing holding the barrel to the receiver is the tenon threads in tension.

The 98 Mauser has:
1) flat bottomed receiver to take torque from rifling
2) controlled feed
3) claw typed extractor
4) safety on firing pin, often modified to be 2 or 3 position M70 type
5) multi stage gas filter on firing pin hole for safety
6) bolt handle is integrally forged as part of bolt body
7) safety lug below rear bridge
8) integral recoil lug
9) knife ejector in bolt lug slot with force proportional to that applied to bolt handle
10) an inner C ring to put the tenon threads in compression

For further reading, look at "Bolt Action Rifles, Expanded 4th Edition" Book by Frank de Haas and Dr. Wayne van Zwoll. There are ~ 100 bolt action rifles described with engineering like details.
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Old November 6, 2013, 04:42 AM   #13
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If it were ten years ago I would choose a Remington which I did. Today it would be a Savage which I did.
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Old November 9, 2013, 04:33 AM   #14
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Wow, these times we live in. Who would have ever thought Savage rifles would supplant Remington rifles for recommendations of accuracy and quality? I still would really like to have a nice stainless/walnut CDL someday.

There's a reason it's hard to find a hunting rifle with a 26" barrel. I don't think you would have too much loss in .308/-06 with a 24" barrel. If you want a heavy barrel, Marlin's X7VH comes with a 26" in .308win. and it's a nice gun very similar to the Savage.
HAHA...same here. I'm old, so I always do a double take when someone even compares a Savage to a Remington 700. I still favor Remington over Savage. Savage is a budget rifle and I've never seen one that was finished quite like a Remington. Both good rifles though. I'm actually not even a huge Remington fan although do own model 700s, and prefer Winchester hands down over both. Tough to find but check out the model 70's. This is a tough pill to swallow also but...the Model 70 Winchesters under FN are some of the best rifles to ever wear the Winchester stamp (cant believe I just wrote that!). Ohh the times we d live in. The Ruger American is also a nice rifle that I feel beats out Savage also. I think I just started a "deer camp fire pit arguement LOL. Which rifle is best has started many a personal war LOL!
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Old November 9, 2013, 07:44 AM   #15
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If you don't mind a used rifle, the Remington 700 VS, or varmint synthetic is a pretty good way to go. I bought 2 of them in 308-my eldest son snagged my first one so I replaced it. 26 inch heavy barrel 308 Win caliber. Aluminum bedding block and an H&S style stock.
The only thing I did was to lighten the trigger pull weight slightly and use a torque wrench on the action screws. Mounted a Leupold Vari-x III on dual dovetail rings. Shoots less than 1 MOA with factory ammo when I do my part with cheap ammo and near 1/2 MOA with what it really likes.
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Old November 9, 2013, 08:28 AM   #16
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s this an Accurate?
i'm looking for a 30-06/or 308 with a 26 inch barrel
any suggestions all the ones i've looked at are 7 MM magnum at 26 IN?
or which one is better savage or Remington

Been shooting .30-06 and .308 rifles for a little over 30 years. Both the Savage and Remington are well made rifles. In .308, both will produce very satisfying results on target and in the field. The .30-06 offers a little more oomph w/ heavy bullets. The .30-06 is about ideal w/ 180 gr. bullets for heavy game in the lower 48 states. The .308 will do well w/ 180 gr. bullets, but it is not ideal. With 150 - 165/168 gr. bullets, the .308 really shines. I've had Remington 700 rifles in both calibers that would routinely produce five 5 shot groups of less than .75 MOA with common reloading components. The various heavy barreled 700's always produced ten shot groups of less than .75 MOA in .308 caliber.

If you are determined to have a 26 in barrel, then look at the Remington heavy barrel 700 series in .308 Winchester. I've had them. They have always produced sterling accuracy. If you anticipate that you want to do some home rebarreling, the Savage is a better choice. The Remington comes in an excellent stock with excellent bedding, etc. With either rifle, if you want to make a change there are many excellent aftermarket stocks available. HTH. brucev.
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Old November 12, 2013, 06:26 AM   #17
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Savage 10 TR. In the pouring rain I was shooting .5" groups @ 100yds with 175gr SMK's. I am extremely impressed with how accurate this gun is compared to my other .308 which is a Remington.
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Old November 12, 2013, 07:31 AM   #18
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I own both and will pick an SPS any day. The Savage is a great shooter but kicks like a mule compared to the Remington. The Savage hovers around 7/8" groups at 100 off of a bench. The .308 SPS Tacticals both hover (yes I own two) just below 3/4" under the same conditions.

To buy one off the shelf and never customize it, Savage would be my choice. But I like the Remington and the ability to easily get so many parts. I have a Remington (custom built) 300WM that I have photos and videos of it shooting 1" at 302 yards. It has a price tag to go along with it though.
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