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Old November 24, 2012, 12:36 PM   #101
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What pray tell is useless about surviving an armed encounter?
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:41 PM   #102
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Ok Im interested in 410. Can someone show me a compact size that holds at least 5 rounds? Not interested in a long barrel.

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Old November 24, 2012, 01:49 PM   #103
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Well I have been tinkering with an idea...

The project code name is "Terrier" (Because like it's name sake it is little but it can be very mean)

It is the smallest defensive shotgun and is a variant of the Mossberg 510 mini.

It invloves taking the mag tube and barrel from the Mossberg 50455 and using both on the 510 receiver.

It would still have the shorter forearm reach and keep the adjustablility of the 510 stock (which should increase speed if any follow up shots are needed,and adapt to different size frames)

Total capacity would still be 6 (5, 2-1/2 inch shells in the mag tube + 1, 2-1/2 inch or 3-inch shell in the chamber)

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Old November 24, 2012, 03:19 PM   #104
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So many different variables...
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Old November 24, 2012, 05:43 PM   #105
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The thread started of interesting. Too bad it turned so ugly.
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Old November 24, 2012, 05:47 PM   #106
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I tried to keep things civil.
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Old November 24, 2012, 06:08 PM   #107
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Old November 30, 2012, 07:55 PM   #108
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Moving on...

I'm going to start work on project Terrier soon.

I'm going to start out by picking up a 510 mini and then order a 50455 mag tube,spring,follower and barrel.

Then try to find a good smith that will do the work of removing the factory mag tube and installing it on the 510.

The only two problems that I can guess at this point would stem from the bolt not matching up with the cut out on the barrel and the mag tube not fitting.

But I figure Mossberg would keep the mag tubes for their .410 in spec.

*crosses fingers* lets see how it turns out.
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Old November 30, 2012, 08:45 PM   #109
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We'll be waiting for updates....
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Old December 1, 2012, 12:32 AM   #110
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If it works out as well as I hope I'm going to do the same thing with the 20 gauge version of the 510.
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Old December 1, 2012, 01:43 AM   #111
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You guys keep this thread going. I'm loading my 410 shells as fast as I can for the big shootout. I think it all comes down to you gotta go with what ya got for home defense. My wife is scared to death of a 12 gauge riotgun but she will shoot my 20 gauge double and not think twice about it. And now that I think about it my Winchester Mariner with 3" #4 Buck has given me a headache pretty much every time I've shot, it but Oh My, what results you get.
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:54 PM   #112
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This is what I find rather funny about the whole situtaion,the person that has given me the most guff about my choice in gauge of shotgun and ammo load out….MISSED
Don't go jumping to erroneous conclusions. He said neither perp was hit, he didn't say he missed. Dropping the hammer on someone is VERY serious business. I was at only one shotgun killing and I don't want a repeat performance.

Generally, I would recommend a .410-bore shotgun for home defense only if your other choices were a rock or a stick. Of course, there will always be someone who, for one reason or another, can't manage anything larger than a .410-bore.

I find it curious that in your OP you recommended a .410-bore, then a few posts later you said: "I would actually like to try a 28 gauge with the same setup." How can you recommend the .410-bore if you haven't even tried a 28-ga gun? You've reached your conclusion without gathering all your data. If you give the 28-ga a try and feel it's far superior to the .410-bore (based upon your criteria), then this whole discussion becomes moot. I've shot many thousands of .410-bore and 28-ga shells, and would select neither for HD, YMMV. FYI, in past postings I've mentioned a common opinion held by experienced shooters: A 28-ga kicks like a .410-bore and hits like a 20-ga.

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Old December 3, 2012, 09:47 PM   #113
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Acutally I just wanted to try the same standard setup in a different gauge,instead of going only with the best known,I went to the opposite end of the scale and applied the same to the smallest gauge that is factory loaded for defensive ammo and sure enough it seems to be up to the task.

The point is even if all you have is a .410 that has been handed down...with the right ammo and skill set it can still save your hide in a pinch.

Question....If someone shoots and doesn't hit what they aim at,wouldn't that be called a miss?

I would say so,and I'm sure others would agree.

Also my reason for wanting to try the same type of setup in 28 gauge is to bring it up to speed with other scatterguns and to show that it has just as much capability as other gauges.
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Old December 3, 2012, 10:10 PM   #114
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While I am of the ilk that feels "All things being equal (which they rarely are), the bigger bullet wins...

I will say that my first gun being a .410 bolt gun from Mossberg was absolutely lethal in my hands... Being my first and only gun from the time I was 8 until I was 16 when I got my single shot .22 for trapline use... I was a crackshot with it... Rabbit on the run, pheasant on the wing and many larger game fell to that gun and more than one ol' timer with a 12 gauge respected my shooting skills even if I thought it was just average shooting by an average country kid...

It was also my only HD capable arm in my first years on my own... I pity the poor soul who would think it was a "pea shooter" For HD I kept #4 shot and the poly choke cranked tight to "FULL"... Any distance in a home had about a tennis ball or so size spread... I only had 3 shots but I could usually make do with those 3...

I look forward to seeing your results...

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Old December 3, 2012, 10:21 PM   #115
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I look forward to getting the projects up and running as soon as funds allow.

First gray tail I ever knocked out of a tree was with a single shot .410,I've been hooked on the little gauge from then on.
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Old December 3, 2012, 10:49 PM   #116
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How about a 16 gauge. Here is my project that I just finished up. Western Field 16 HD gun.

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Old December 3, 2012, 11:04 PM   #117
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Nice

The 16 gauge gets my respect (But then again I like them all)
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:19 PM   #118
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Question….If someone shoots and doesn't hit what they aim at,wouldn't that be called a miss?
Answer: Again, don't jump to conclusions. You're assuming he aimed at one of the perps. Perhaps, considering the gravity of the situation, a warning shot was fired… who knows? Now, let's not start a "warning shot or not" debate.
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:25 PM   #119
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Because zip that would be for another thread.
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:29 PM   #120
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Lets just keep this thread related to the OP and his intents... At this point, I think we all can agree "Bigger is usually better" and "anything beats nothing at all"...

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Old December 3, 2012, 11:33 PM   #121
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I agree that bigger is better....which is why you won't see me recommend birdshot for SD/HD....I like the larger buckshot pellets for that task.
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Old December 3, 2012, 11:49 PM   #122
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Thanks Pfletch, its my first try at building a gun, now its got a single point sling mount on it also.
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Old December 4, 2012, 05:45 AM   #123
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At this point, I think we all can agree "Bigger is usually better" and "anything beats nothing at all"...
Really?.....does that mean we should all be carrying .50AE Desert Eagles & .500 S&W's for SD?.....or that a water gun will get us home every night?.....

I prefer "the right tool for the job".....and, sometimes, the .410 is the right tool.....

....besides, generality statements are never good....
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Old December 4, 2012, 07:37 AM   #124
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Seeker, the point I tried to make is generally understood by those who use the shotgun section...

I was also trying to steer the thread back on track which I am doing again now.

And for HD, I cannot think of a time when I would grab a .410 over a 12 if able bodied enough to handle the larger...

But I do consider the .410 adequate in the hands of a person who knows the gun well and has the round capacity to overcome any less than stellar results with the first shots...

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Old December 4, 2012, 08:13 AM   #125
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And I can get the job done with any gauge I have at hand,not because I'm some super soldier *Halo music plays in the background...joking* but because I know what to expect from a chosen shotgun and ammo load out through pattern testing,and practice.

I understand what I can do and what the weapon is capable of.
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