The Rossi matched pair...

Pfletch83 · November 5, 2012, 05:36 PM

Single shot pistol

The handgun in this topic is much like the long gun of the same name.

It is supplied with 2 barrels a .45/410 that can use a modified choke (also supplied with choke wrench) and a .22 LR barrel

I'm looking forward to picking one up soon for ammo tests, I think it should do very well with the Federal 3-inch #4 Buck load.

From the sample I have seen on 410handguns.com it should prove to be a good survival and plinking gun (which can also be used for a last ditch self defense arm if the need were to arise with either .45 colt or .410 buckshot)

aarondhgraham · November 5, 2012, 05:51 PM

Please let us know how the .22 barrel runs,,,
I've considered buying one for a long while now,,,
But every time I get the money up another gun tempts me more.

The one thing that keeps me from buying it is the darned 45/410 barrel,,,
If I could buy it with just the .22 barrel I would buy 2 of them,,,
Then build a wood case to emulate dueling pistols.

I'll anxiously await your range report.

Aarond

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Pfletch83 · November 5, 2012, 06:00 PM

Be sure to do so when I can.

I like it because of the ammo versatility,and after getting an NFA stamp,it would be nice to see what an 11-inch .410 barrel and slugs can do from a handgun (*I wouldn't advise that this be done without all legal means being followed first*)

Crankylove · November 5, 2012, 06:13 PM

Why would this be an NFA item?

If the .45/410 barrel is rifled at all, it is still considered a pistol, even if it will fire shot shells, just like the Judge and Govenor revolvers. No NFA forms requiered unless you throw a rifle stock or suppressor on it.

Winchester_73 · November 5, 2012, 09:10 PM

Evidently because its either a rifled barrel shorter than 16 in or a smooth bore / shotgun barrel shorter than 18 in.

Crankylove · November 5, 2012, 09:40 PM

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Evidently because its either a rifled barrel shorter than 16 in or a smooth bore / shotgun barrel shorter than 18 in.

Barrel length doesn't matter on a pistol/revolver with a rifled barrel.

If it is a smooth-bore barrel, its a whole different story, and it would not be able to be sold without being an NFA item from the start, but, it appears to have a rifled barrel for the .45/.410 (according to some magazine reviews, Ross's website lacks a bit of detail), so its just a pistol with a .45 caliber barrel, that just happens to be able to shoot shotshells from the same rifled barrel.

Winchester_73 · November 5, 2012, 10:30 PM

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Barrel length doesn't matter on a pistol/revolver with a rifled barrel

I assumed there was a provision for a shoulder stock but you're right, if its a straight up pistol, it does not matter. If shorter than 16 in with a shoulder stock then it would be illegal.

danez71 · November 5, 2012, 11:30 PM

Ive been interested in that gun as well and would appreciate any feed back you can provide.

Pfletch83 · November 5, 2012, 11:40 PM

It's starting out as a title -1 pistol,but after all the legal paperwork is done I'm pretty sure it can be turned into an NFA item with a factory smoothbore barrel.

Crankylove · November 6, 2012, 01:45 AM

You say a factory barrel, willl you be putting a smooth bore barrel from one of the rifle stocked versions on? Cutting it down in length?

Could be a potent little snake/rabbit/squirrel gun, but why the change to smoothbore? Hoping for better patterns?

Pfletch83 · November 6, 2012, 01:00 PM

The main reason for the smooth bore is as a test bed for different ammo on the market.

Plus slugs would give better accuracy from a .410 barrel than they would from a .45 colt barrel.

kozak6 · November 9, 2012, 06:16 AM

What meaningful information will you get from an AOW length .410 barrel?

dorc-1 · November 9, 2012, 07:19 AM

I have one and it's great. Puts a nice tight pattern of 10-12" at 7 yds with #6 birdshot w/choke. Haven't tried the Fed 3" 000 Buck w/5 pellets, but I have tried the 2 1/2" w/4 and it will blow thru 4 jugs of water at 10 yds. I think the 2 1/2" is more powerful than the 3" and holds a 5" pattern w/choke. I keep it right by the nightstand loaded with 000 in 2 1/2". Federal also has a #4 buckshot with 8 pellets in 3", but haven't tried that yet as I see no need for it.

The 22 is fun to shoot and is a good plinker out to 50 yds. The 45 is not accurate as the barrel is a bit wider than the normal judge and has a very light rifling. Be sure to pull the choke if you plan to use 45.

Pfletch83 · November 9, 2012, 05:26 PM

Actually the Federal 3-inch offering is loaded with 9 #4 buck pellets ( same as a .22 caliber)

From what I have seen on the .410 handguns web site the #4 buck had a 2 inch spread at 15 feet and at 20 feet the pattern was 2-1/2 inches using the mod. choke.

15 feet

http://410handguns.com/wpimages/wp1a67842a_06.png

20 feet

http://410handguns.com/wpimages/wp524c704a_06.png

dorc-1 · November 9, 2012, 07:50 PM

That's pretty good pattern, but I like the heavier 000 rather than a 22 size hole.

Pfletch83 · November 9, 2012, 08:58 PM

To be honest I like both.

November 5, 2012, 05:36 PM	#1
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	The Rossi matched pair... Single shot pistol The handgun in this topic is much like the long gun of the same name. It is supplied with 2 barrels a .45/410 that can use a modified choke (also supplied with choke wrench) and a .22 LR barrel I'm looking forward to picking one up soon for ammo tests, I think it should do very well with the Federal 3-inch #4 Buck load. From the sample I have seen on 410handguns.com it should prove to be a good survival and plinking gun (which can also be used for a last ditch self defense arm if the need were to arise with either .45 colt or .410 buckshot)

November 5, 2012, 05:51 PM	#2
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 6,356	Hello Pfletch83,,, Please let us know how the .22 barrel runs,,, I've considered buying one for a long while now,,, But every time I get the money up another gun tempts me more. The one thing that keeps me from buying it is the darned 45/410 barrel,,, If I could buy it with just the .22 barrel I would buy 2 of them,,, Then build a wood case to emulate dueling pistols. I'll anxiously await your range report. Aarond . __________________ Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Combat: "A Silent Cry" Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

November 5, 2012, 06:00 PM	#3
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	I will... Be sure to do so when I can. I like it because of the ammo versatility,and after getting an NFA stamp,it would be nice to see what an 11-inch .410 barrel and slugs can do from a handgun (I wouldn't advise that this be done without all legal means being followed first)

November 5, 2012, 09:10 PM	#5
Winchester_73 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2008 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 2,598	Evidently because its either a rifled barrel shorter than 16 in or a smooth bore / shotgun barrel shorter than 18 in. __________________ Winchester 73, the TFL user that won the west

November 6, 2012, 01:45 AM	#10
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: The land of green Jello and vanilla icecream Posts: 1,195	You say a factory barrel, willl you be putting a smooth bore barrel from one of the rifle stocked versions on? Cutting it down in length? Could be a potent little snake/rabbit/squirrel gun, but why the change to smoothbore? Hoping for better patterns? __________________ "As we know, there are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

November 5, 2012, 06:13 PM	#4
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: The land of green Jello and vanilla icecream Posts: 1,195	Why would this be an NFA item? If the .45/410 barrel is rifled at all, it is still considered a pistol, even if it will fire shot shells, just like the Judge and Govenor revolvers. No NFA forms requiered unless you throw a rifle stock or suppressor on it. __________________ "As we know, there are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

November 5, 2012, 11:30 PM	#8
danez71 Senior Member Join Date: June 2, 2009 Posts: 382	Ive been interested in that gun as well and would appreciate any feed back you can provide.

November 5, 2012, 11:40 PM	#9
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	It's starting out as a title -1 pistol,but after all the legal paperwork is done I'm pretty sure it can be turned into an NFA item with a factory smoothbore barrel.

November 6, 2012, 01:00 PM	#11
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	The main reason for the smooth bore is as a test bed for different ammo on the market. Plus slugs would give better accuracy from a .410 barrel than they would from a .45 colt barrel. Last edited by Pfletch83; November 9, 2012 at 05:28 PM.

November 9, 2012, 06:16 AM	#12
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 2,274	What meaningful information will you get from an AOW length .410 barrel?

November 9, 2012, 07:19 AM	#13
dorc-1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2012 Posts: 106	I have one and it's great. Puts a nice tight pattern of 10-12" at 7 yds with #6 birdshot w/choke. Haven't tried the Fed 3" 000 Buck w/5 pellets, but I have tried the 2 1/2" w/4 and it will blow thru 4 jugs of water at 10 yds. I think the 2 1/2" is more powerful than the 3" and holds a 5" pattern w/choke. I keep it right by the nightstand loaded with 000 in 2 1/2". Federal also has a #4 buckshot with 8 pellets in 3", but haven't tried that yet as I see no need for it. The 22 is fun to shoot and is a good plinker out to 50 yds. The 45 is not accurate as the barrel is a bit wider than the normal judge and has a very light rifling. Be sure to pull the choke if you plan to use 45.

November 9, 2012, 05:26 PM	#14
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	Actually the Federal 3-inch offering is loaded with 9 #4 buck pellets ( same as a .22 caliber) From what I have seen on the .410 handguns web site the #4 buck had a 2 inch spread at 15 feet and at 20 feet the pattern was 2-1/2 inches using the mod. choke. 15 feet http://410handguns.com/wpimages/wp1a67842a_06.png 20 feet http://410handguns.com/wpimages/wp524c704a_06.png

November 9, 2012, 07:50 PM	#15
dorc-1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2012 Posts: 106	That's pretty good pattern, but I like the heavier 000 rather than a 22 size hole.

November 9, 2012, 08:58 PM	#16
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 146	To be honest I like both.