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Old October 30, 2012, 10:27 PM   #26
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Old November 2, 2012, 01:37 AM   #27
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A 16" barrel FNAR. 8.13 pounds, four 1913 rails, chrome lined fluted barrel, target crown, 1 MOA or better from the factory. Good consistent trigger. Mine didn't shoot 1 MOA....FNH put a new barrel on it under warranty. Now it does. I have the 20" heavy barrel model and like it. A fast Google search found a 20" model listed for sale by a dealer for $979. They are out there for a fair price.
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Old November 2, 2012, 02:19 AM   #28
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I have a SAI SOCOM 16. It's heavy. I'm going to upgrade to a SAGE platform, which will add 4 lbs. While sexy the added weight (vs that of my AR's) make it bulky. Not exactly my "go to" gun if SHTF, regardless of stopping power.
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Old November 2, 2012, 06:31 AM   #29
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Centerfire Systems has a VEPR in .308, 16.5" barrel less than $700 (on sale now $599+S/H). One option.
http://centerfiresystems.com/308-6.aspx

SAIGAs version of the VEPR (AK format) can still be found.

Could look for an older Win 100... if older carbine/rifles float yer boat. Or an older used Browning BAR short trac, stalker etc.

I know you specified semi auto, but do not overlook Brownings lever action for woods walking and I guess, home defense if you want/need.

Looking at todays prices, I'm glad I bought mine back when they were cheaper (or the dollar was stronger). None of them are light enough I'd want to lug around and stalk prey all day long (M1A, FAL and an AK variant) and as you know, most bolt actions are a tad bit more accurate, if that's really germaine to you. Not to mention the price of running .308 thru a semi auto (so easy to go thru 20 rds in a flash... cha-ching)

Enjoy your quest Dashunde, hunting for the one you want, and/or rationalizing the one you get, lots of fun.
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Old November 2, 2012, 07:42 AM   #30
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I came across a imperceptibly used (nary a scuff) DPMS .308 yesterday. It appears nicely made and was priced at $1000.
It’s very similar to Recon.
To make it mine I'd like to swap out the existing fore end and iron sights, essentially turn it into the DPMS Compact Hunter.

In the end though, I'd probably end up spending more converting the used one to my taste than I would if I just bought a Compact Hunter from the start?
Is the 4-rail fore end worth anything in the forums, to off-set the cost?

There is also the slightly longer DPMS Lite Hunter for ~$1200 ready to go (and it appears to be available).
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Old November 2, 2012, 03:37 PM   #31
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Have you thought about not limiting yourself to a .308? When i was researching AR platforms I originally wanted a cheap versatile semi-auto that I could use for mid size game hunting. Obviously a 5.56 wouldn't work other than rabbits and coyotes, but getting an AR10 was also out of my price range.

Have you thought about settling on a buying a $250 lower for an AR15 and then buying a bison armory 6.8 upper? It would be a 16 inch carbine style weapon with adequate hunting capabilities. Ammunition would be more expensive and you couldn't buy it in bulk, but on the front end the lower and upper would run you under 750 w/o tax. You would need to get iron sights and optics, but that would still run under 1000 unless you were going fancy.
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Old November 2, 2012, 11:07 PM   #32
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'nuther vote for the FNAR...not really a carbine, though. Most of the rifles mentioned don't seem like carbines either; long/bull barrels, or big, heavy receivers. I was looking for a 308 carbine recently and came to the conclusion that they don't really exist. The closest was the Garand-derived BM59; 19" barrel, folding stock, 20rnd mag, ~8lbs empty. Too bad they're upwards of 2000$ if you can find one. A stripped down (i.e. lightened receiver) M14 with lightweight folding furniture might work, as would a compacted AR10, I guess. But there seems to be little market for a "handy" lightweight carry-carbine in 308.

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Old November 2, 2012, 11:17 PM   #33
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not limiting yourself to a .308?
I'm pretty set on it, lots of pluses for me. Its available everywhere and I cant think of anything it wouldnt kill rapidly.

I'm starting to burrow into the DPMS rifles.
I liked what I felt and saw for the money.
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Old November 2, 2012, 11:25 PM   #34
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Advertised weight of my DPMS LR308L is 7.9 lbs.18 in bbl.Nice trigger.Flattop.Carbon fiber free float tube.Has dust cover/fwd assist.Not sure of current price.
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Old November 3, 2012, 12:29 AM   #35
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He may have specified semi, but he described a bolt action.

For defense, I will take a semi over a bolt anytime. For hog hunting, I will take a semi over a bolt anytime. For rapid fire up close, I will take a semi over a bolt anytime.

Within 200 yards, there will not be much of a difference in accuracy between a bolt and a semi. I would also have no problems whitetail hunting with a semi, but either a bolt or a semi would work for that application.
He said lightweight, he can get a bolt gun under 6 lbs scoped within his budget and buy 2 of them under 7 lbs including optics with his budget. He'll have a hard time finding semi that will come in under 10 lbs with optics. Not something to walk around with, which he specified.

As a pure SD rifle a semi is the way to go, but for all around use the bolt still wins. While I don't agree 100% with Coopers scout rifle concept, this is exactly what it was designed for.

Being able to shoot fast is one thing. Being able to shoot fast and hit stuff is another. With as much recoil as a 308 has when compared to a 223 round the controlling factor is getting your sights back on target. I can get off 3 shots with a semi in around 1/2 second compared to 1.8 seconds with a 308 bolt rifle. But that is not aiming at anything. When I have to make hits on a target down range the semi is only slightly faster for 3 shots. Around 3.5 seconds vs 4 seconds for 3 shots that all hit a 9" target at 50 yards.

From everything he has said he wants to do with the gun a 308 bolt carbine with an 18-20" barrel meets his needs better than anything. I have no problems with some using a semi, but they don't make what he is describing in a semi. He is trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
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Old November 3, 2012, 07:54 AM   #36
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+1 on the PTR91 carbine. Nicely balanced, easy to use, shoots great. If I were doing this, I'd get a standard length and cut the barrel back to just in front of the front sight base and thread a brake or flash hider on at that point. Longer sight radius and easier to find handguards and what not with the standard length setup. Can do a recessed crown or 11 degree or what have you.

I have obtained some prodigious groupings with my (now ancient) PTR91.

Plus it takes the Hensholdt scope readily, and that is a superb optic.
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Old November 5, 2012, 01:37 PM   #37
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I recently acquired a CMMG 16" sst lightweight .308 and have to say I am very pleased with it. It is the lightest .308 I was able to find and it shoots about .75 moa with premium ammo. It comes with a billet upper and lower and their new two -stage trigger.I added a spikes dynacomp to help tame the recoil. I've owned three armalite ar-10's and this will hang with them all day.
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Old November 6, 2012, 09:01 AM   #38
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At or under $1000 is pretty tough but there are some options if you shop around.

PTR-91 (look for the 16"er or the military profile barrel)
Saiga .308
VEPR .308
FNAR (comes in a shorter barrel version)
Browning BAR (just get scope rings with little rails for a red dot)
DPMS Sportical

I've seen the FNAR and PTR at CDNN for good prices.
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Old November 6, 2012, 11:25 AM   #39
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I have one of the Bushmaster MOE in .308 and
like it a lot.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/77836

Note: Driving the Alcan with a .308 ist verboten !
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Old November 7, 2012, 12:20 PM   #40
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^ That Bushmaster is pretty close, and the price is ok too.
Are there any issues with taking off the iron front sight?

The Canadians frown on it? I wasnt expecting that...
How do we manage all of the Canadian big game hunting up there?
If the destination is our own AK, do we have any "peaceable journey" deals with them?
Maybe thats another thread for elsewhere.
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Old November 7, 2012, 11:53 PM   #41
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I'd recommend a FNAR. They're about the best you can get on a budget. I have no experience with CMMG .308s so I can't speak on behalf of them, but they're supposed to be decent. I'd still take the FNAR though.

If you are willing to go above the price of the FNAR, look at the DPMS LR308 Recon.
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Old November 8, 2012, 10:33 AM   #42
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I would suggest saving a little longer; shooting 308 on a regular basis gets expensive...
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Old November 9, 2012, 03:49 AM   #43
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I have a DPMS LR 308 Oracle that is a great rifle. Got it from the local Cabelas for $1099.00. It will shoot factory 168 gr bullets into a .655 in group all day if I do my part, which isn't often enough!!
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Old December 27, 2012, 07:48 PM   #44
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Rats... that kid really messed everything up.

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Old December 27, 2012, 07:55 PM   #45
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I'm enjoying my CQB-16 type SEI in a Blackfeather "RS".

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Old December 27, 2012, 08:00 PM   #46
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I guess I've opened my options up to the FNAR too.

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Old December 27, 2012, 09:47 PM   #47
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I had a PTR. Up until recently you could get them sub $1000 from CDNN. It shot okay (2 MOA maybe). To scope it you'll need a claw mount or an add-on rail as well as a cheekpiece ($50 from Cherokee). That would put you over the $1000 mark even before the current craziness. I thought the irons were some of the best I've ever used.

A friend had a .308 VEPR. It shot about the same, costs less ($700 when he got it) but is harder to scope (there are side mount scope mounts but I don't think they are very straight and they sit awful high).

Both come in 16" if you want them that short.

I've heard you can cut down the barrel on a Browning BAR which would make it a bit cheaper then a FNAR. It would be easier to scope then the PTR or VEPR.
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Old December 29, 2012, 02:00 AM   #48
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If I had a budget of $1000 I would either do some sort of AK variant or just consider a good bolty like the GSR so you still get some tactical feel you seem to want (Don't yell at me for throwing a bolty in there allaroundhunter)
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Old December 29, 2012, 03:16 AM   #49
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I'm not at all after a tactical look or feel, in fact I'm partial to the looks of a wood stock instead,
Unfortunately it seems most that cover my bases come looking that way.

I'm really warming up to the FNAR...
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I'm not at all after a tactical look or feel, in fact I'm partial to the looks of a wood stock instead...
That's an easy requirement to fill if you go with the M14/M1A.

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