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Old October 28, 2012, 06:24 PM   #51
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We sure have a lot of ways to justify lying to people and taking their money on false pretenses. No wonder this country is in so much trouble. Not only do we condone immoral behavior, we no longer even recognize it.

Having a good laugh after you lead them on for awhile would be funny. Swindling them out of their money by intentionally taking advantage of their ignorance is completely immoral. I'm saddened that anyone would condone such a thing. It gives us all a bad name. It should be completely unacceptable.

I doubt anyone would be real happy if a car dealer sold their wives an "Anti-Solar-Flare Static Discharge System" for their car. I suppose you'd have a good laugh at your wife's ignorance when you went back in to talk to the dealer. After all, she should know better.

Or maybe the Nigerian Prince scam? That one's been around so long it's cliche. Still, people fall for it. Ah well. Nothing immoral, right? It's their own stupidity. There's a price to be paid for ignorance.

It disgusts me that anyone can condone this behavior.
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Old October 28, 2012, 06:39 PM   #52
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How old is the 'kid'? Don't you have to over 21 to buy handgun ammo?

Hmm - what's up - Stainless?

If you are over 21 and believe in Zombies, we should have a discussion of what round for unicorns?
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Old October 28, 2012, 06:39 PM   #53
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also kid is relative(mid-20s are kids)but even my wife hates the word:a kid is a goat

I don't condone it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I do believe in 'gray' areas and that not everything is black and white(especially since we have a second hand account typed on a computer).

this guy at the store might be a really nice good samaritan. I can't be too quick to judge.
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Old October 28, 2012, 06:46 PM   #54
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I doubt anyone would be real happy if a car dealer sold their wives an "Anti-Solar-Flare Static Discharge System" for their car. I suppose you'd have a good laugh at your wife's ignorance when you went back in to talk to the dealer. After all, she should know better.
He sold him real ammo at the price it was marked, he didnt swindle anyone.

I think its sad that a moderator is beating this drum so hard. If it were just members arguing like this it would have already been locked.
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Old October 28, 2012, 07:07 PM   #55
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Not sure Glenn but my educated guess would be early 20's....which I still consider a kid...and although I'm 30 myself I feel that mentally there is a massive leap from 21 to 30.

@ Bryan, I get it. I just think you are reeeeeally stretching it here to prove some point beyond the obvious. It wasnt the nicest thing to do. However, some of us with tougher skin learned MUCH harder lessons than that growing up. I sure did. He got off easy in my opinion after displaying such sheer stupidity....and he still got some ammo which is not a crime.

As I said before, who the hell knows if he was dead serious, semi-serious, or just playing along with an old shop owner to start a funny convo. He was acting genuinely interested in the owner's responses....yet he wasnt sold 100% as I noted in the beginning and even smirked a couple times. Am I a psychologist? No. Was it a hilarious encounter all things considered. YES!

And on that note now that mny home is well prepared for hurricane Sandy to approach tomorrow.....I shall pour a glass or two of some fine Yuengling lager and prepare for my favorite Sunday night series, The Walking Dead

(the difference is, I enjoy a good tv series about survivalism and know that zombies are not real....plus the main character carries a colt python which is awesome)

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Old October 28, 2012, 07:08 PM   #56
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ljnowell, he sold him eight boxes, according to the OP, on the premise that the stuff could handle zombie threats and that it was becoming scarce, so the buyer should grab it while he still could.

Now, for me to buy eight boxes of ammo sounds like not much more than a typical day at the LGS range. (I usually buy five boxes, if I don't bring my own.)

For an early 20's guy, who seems not that familiar with guns, one or two boxes would probably be a more normal purchase.

IMO, the joke became un-funny when the store owner used it for a profit.

And if the buyer was really that gullible, somebody should have educated, not belittled him.

It really is just that simple.
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Old October 28, 2012, 07:54 PM   #57
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I'm going to side with the folks that say it was funny up to a point. When the shop salesman sold the ammo letting the young man believe it was real and not the marketing hype it is was well beyond that point.

In my mind this is the kind of shop folks will learn to avoid. The salesman should have at some time prior to the sale explained that the ammo was so labeled as a marketing or sales gimmick only. To have sold the ammo without that caveat in my mind is not a good business practice.

That shop took advantage of someone not knowledgeable and very naive, to me that is a reprehensible sales tactic.

I suspect that someone will explain to the young man he had been had. And I would not be surprised if that individual does not go back there and tells all his friends to stay away as well.
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Old October 28, 2012, 08:13 PM   #58
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happy halloween 31oct2012//full moon 29oct2012

mleake those might have been his last boxes like the owner said. period. he also answered honestly when he said 'absolutely' to the cust when inquired if it was a good idea to be prepared.

three kids shooting can go thru that pretty quick. at any rate he prob wanted some leftovers.

It isn't that simple. sorry. are you saying you feel this "kid" felt zombies were a serious threat? more likely he felt that was sortof 'cool' or unheard of to see references to zombies on a box of ammo(or maybe he realized this guy is sellin so I midas well buy every last bit I can.....all speculation but no different than yours or other posts). please let me know if you feel this individual believes zombies exist and this is the ammo to dispatch them. Oh yeah I forgot, just like some fastguns in the old west you don't like to go toe to toe when its time to meet in the street.....no need to respond
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Old October 28, 2012, 08:16 PM   #59
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ps- just messin(joshin), i just don't feel it was that serious and don't mind stating it. obviously some believe this was a true injustice and everyone has a right to differing opinions
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Old October 28, 2012, 08:49 PM   #60
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younggunz4life, I wasn't quite sure where you were going with post #58, but I guess you were mostly joking.

But as far as the going toe to toe thing... I don't mean this as a duel challenge or anything, but I've actually met quite a few TFL members in real life, either to attend a class, or to just go shoot someplace. Sometimes, even, to put theories to a test. (Again, this is done in a friendly manner.)

Generally, I won't travel to do that. But, if somebody is in my neck of the woods, or if work or other travel takes me to theirs, then why not?

Over the past few years, for example, I've had the opportunity to hang out with (and do business with) Tom Servo and HunterCustoms; have dinner and go to the range with orionengnr; train with Pax, Mas, and Marty Hayes; have a coffee with Shane Tuttle. I was going to go to a combo shooting day and BBQ with Uncle Buck, but that fell through.

In other words, I don't hide behind a screen name. (Screen name is my name, anyway, M Leake.)

I don't make arguments online that I'd be embarrassed to make in person.

As far as how serious (or not) the incident under discussion is, my opinion is based on the assumption that the tone of the OP's first post accurately reflected what went on. Of course, that assumption could be false, but it's his thread so...
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Old October 28, 2012, 09:01 PM   #61
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Sorry, but im with Steel. Yeah it was real ammo so it was only a half lie (acceptable in philly ). Go into any store and ask a question like that and your going to get taken. Better yet send your wife/ girlfriend to the garage for an oil change and see what they charge you for on the reciept.

I certainly cant say the stuff doesn't work better then cheap ammo on zombies can you?
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Old October 28, 2012, 09:17 PM   #62
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halloween in the air w/frankenstorm

MLeake, I apologize if there was any offense in my tone. Yes, it was a bad attempt at a joke over the worldwide web(sometimes not easy to do). That is why I added the second post right after...I was gonna mention earlier too not to hold it agnst if/when you become a mod when I mentioned you wouldn't meet me me for a fastdraw.
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Old October 28, 2012, 10:06 PM   #63
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Sorry, but im with Steel. Yeah it was real ammo so it was only a half lie (acceptable in philly ).
Note to self: Never go to Philly. Never trust anyone from Philly.

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Go into any store and ask a question like that and your going to get taken.
And if that's what it's like in Philly.... Note to self: Never go to Philly.

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Better yet send your wife/ girlfriend to the garage for an oil change and see what they charge you for on the reciept.
I have. Many times. Half the time I send her in with my vehicle simply because it works better for scheduling and such. Oddly enough... She gets charged the same as I do. If that's not how things work in Philly.... Note to self: Philly is armpit of America.
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Old October 28, 2012, 10:33 PM   #64
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Old October 28, 2012, 10:35 PM   #65
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Enough.
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