Ruger Blackhawk theoretical....

deadcoyote · October 26, 2012, 03:33 PM

I really like the N frame SW revolvers bored out to hold 8 rounds of .357 magnum, seems like a stellar idea. Could a Blackhawk theoretically be made to hold 8 rounds of .357? I know Ruger makes an 8 shot .327 mag, not really my cup of tea. Does Ruger ever solicit opinions from folks?

BLUETIP · October 26, 2012, 04:10 PM

I'm no help here but if they were to make one i'd sure buy one!

Bob Wright · October 26, 2012, 08:23 PM

I prefer my capacity to be in multiples of five. That's a row of cartridges in the box. So, to hold ten rounds in my single actions, the charge holes would have to number eleven, leaving an empty under the hammer. Not needed with the New Model Rugers, I know, but my practice just the same.

Bob Wright

Bob Wright · October 26, 2012, 08:27 PM

Dead Coyote says:

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Does Ruger ever solicit opinions from folks?

No. Not unless you're a well known gun writer. And own a ranch in Texas, been a sheriff, champion pistol shooter and served on the U.S. Border Patrol. And been with the FBI. Service with the CIA is helpful also.

Bob Wright

DPris · October 27, 2012, 03:44 PM

Not entirely true, Bob.

Ruger does watch the two Ruger Forums & does pay at least SOME attention to suggestions, when feasible. May not actively "solicit" opinions, as such, but between that & market research at the dealer level they try to cover a broad range of models & features.
The .308 Compact Magnum rifle was one that came about from a forum source.

I don't see an 8-shot Blackhawk being viable in .357 Magnum.
Denis

g.willikers · October 27, 2012, 05:15 PM

Might be doable from a custom gunsmith.
Anyone with a lathe, drill press, milling machine and lots of files around here willing to try?

drail · October 27, 2012, 07:53 PM

It could be done in a poodle shooter caliber. With big bore calibers you're going to have to give up metal between the chambers weakening the cylinder (unless you upsize the frame and a Blackhawk is already a pretty big revolver). The best reason they have not built one is that you only need 6. If you need more than 6 buy a Glock.

Jbotto · October 28, 2012, 12:11 AM

I could see it feasible with a .44 BH frame but with the .357 holes in both the barrel and the cylinder. That hole in the .44 frame is a bit larger than the one in the .357 frame, isn't it?

Edward429451 · October 28, 2012, 12:45 AM

How about a 10 round X Frame in 357 Mag?

FrankenMauser · October 28, 2012, 02:16 AM

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Could a Blackhawk theoretically be made to hold 8 rounds of .357? I know Ruger makes an 8 shot .327 mag, not really my cup of tea.

It won't fit.
There isn't enough room in the cylinder.

Seven rounds... maybe.
Eight.... no.

seeker_two · October 28, 2012, 08:41 AM

Blackhawk: No. Maybe seven on the large-frame model.

Super Redhawk: Yes. And I'd buy an 8-rd. Alaskan in a heartbeat.

gak · October 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

The .357 Blackhawk (non flattop) is the same size frame as .44 Mag SBH and .45 BH. I'd agree, probably 7 max. Ruger does have a "Tell the CEO" email or linked suggestion form on their website, and as one poster said, is known to monitor especially the Ruger forums and does appear to take notice and act on some suggestions "out there." Not as much or often as some of us would like

Aguila Blanca · October 28, 2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DPris

Not entirely true, Bob.
Ruger does watch the two Ruger Forums & does pay at least SOME attention to suggestions, when feasible. May not actively "solicit" opinions, as such, but between that & market research at the dealer level they try to cover a broad range of models & features.
The .308 Compact Magnum rifle was one that came about from a forum source.

Also, "solicit" means to actively seek out and ask for opinions. Ruger doesn't call up every gun owner and ask what we'd like to see, but if you write to Ruger and express an interest in seeing them develop a particular gun/cartridge combination, they'll probably tally that information somewhere even if they don't acknowledge it.

FrankenMauser · October 28, 2012, 06:04 PM

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Blackhawk: No. Maybe seven on the large-frame model.

The standard models are all built with the 'large' frame now.

seeker_two · October 28, 2012, 06:31 PM

FM: I'm trying to differentiate b/t the "large-frame" (Super Blackhawk, NM Blackhawk) from the "medium-frame" (New Vaquero, 3-screw Blackhawk, 50th Anniversary Blackhawk) models. You could add "small-frame" (Single-Six) and "extra-small" frame (Bearcat) if you wanted to....

igousigloo · October 28, 2012, 09:36 PM

Just buy a 327 mag. and get used to it. 8 shots at 1700 to 1800 fps is easy to get used to!

stevelyn · October 29, 2012, 02:05 AM

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I know Ruger makes an 8 shot .327 mag, not really my cup of tea.

That's on my list of stuff to buy. I think it makes for a perfect trapline gun especially if you handload.

warningshot · October 29, 2012, 04:07 AM

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Anyone with a lathe, drill press, milling machine and lots of files around here willing to try?

So that is the meaning behind the incripted, Special Project, the inmates on D block are talking about.

DWFan · October 29, 2012, 08:07 AM

The S&W N-frame cylinder is slightly smaller in diameter than the Blackhawk, so it might be possible.

Rifleman1776 · October 29, 2012, 10:05 AM

Any company is interested in new ideas if they are feasible and can be marketed at a profit.
If you approach them, expect to sign a release saying you won't sue at a later date if they make a product that incorporates your ideas. They have ideas also and yours may duplicates something they are already working on.
If you want to protect yourself, patent it first then approach them.

deadcoyote · October 29, 2012, 11:15 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the few people who initially thought the .327 was a pretty neat concept. The ammo price has just never come down, and availability is also no bueno. An 8 shot blackhawk would be a heck of a tool for around my spread, I just primarily carry a firearm around as a precaution for black bear and cougars. I've no doubt the .327 would do the job on foxes and feral cats, just wouldn't want to use it on bears. Of course our bears are usually quite small. I 've been getting a little over confident until I saw a huge feller about 5 days ago.

ss30378 · October 31, 2012, 02:10 PM

The blackhawk is a beefy 357 with as much steel thats in the 6 shot version you can loads the 357s hot enough to equal the ft lbs of 8 mere mortal 357s...

The 357 blackhawk is about as overbuilt as they get (besides the FA and redhawk 357). I've got a few loads over 1000 ft lbs with cases that look great and fall out of the chamber still. Not recommending this, just saying...

**James K** · October 31, 2012, 03:49 PM

Believe it or not, the gun companies do talk to one another, so I expect Ruger has kept pretty good track on sales of the S&W 8 shot revolver and not seen enough there to encourage spending a lot of bucks to copy it.

The rationale for 7 and 8 shot revolvers was to be competitive with auto pistols limited to 10 round magazines by the assault weapons ban. With the AWB gone, at least for now, those revolvers come out on the short end of a weight to performance balance.

Jim

deadcoyote · November 3, 2012, 10:23 PM

I see your point. I live in CA so I understand the craziness caused by the AWB/mag ban as it still exists as a state law here. Fortunately I'm a police officer so I'm exemt from the mag law, but that doesn't really matter since i carry a 9 shot 3" XD 40 anyhow.

On a side note, when I go to the range to shoot you wouldn't believe how many folks approach me to try to buy my "contraband" hi-cap magazines.

newfrontier45 · November 14, 2012, 11:23 AM

If S&W can do the N-frame, Ruger could do the large frame Blackhawk, its cylinder is larger. Why anyone would fall over themselves for such a critter, I have no idea.

October 26, 2012, 03:33 PM	#1
deadcoyote Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: northern CA Posts: 471	Ruger Blackhawk theoretical.... I really like the N frame SW revolvers bored out to hold 8 rounds of .357 magnum, seems like a stellar idea. Could a Blackhawk theoretically be made to hold 8 rounds of .357? I know Ruger makes an 8 shot .327 mag, not really my cup of tea. Does Ruger ever solicit opinions from folks?

October 27, 2012, 05:15 PM	#6
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 2,520	Might be doable from a custom gunsmith. Anyone with a lathe, drill press, milling machine and lots of files around here willing to try? __________________ Lock the doors, they're coming in the windows.

October 28, 2012, 12:45 AM	#9
Edward429451 Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,457	How about a 10 round X Frame in 357 Mag? __________________ "Always place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark" Lazarus Long "Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly." Lazarus Long

October 28, 2012, 08:41 AM	#11
seeker_two Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2002 Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX) Posts: 1,544	Blackhawk: No. Maybe seven on the large-frame model. Super Redhawk: Yes. And I'd buy an 8-rd. Alaskan in a heartbeat. __________________ Proud member of Gun Culture 2.0......

October 28, 2012, 06:31 PM	#15
seeker_two Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2002 Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX) Posts: 1,544	FM: I'm trying to differentiate b/t the "large-frame" (Super Blackhawk, NM Blackhawk) from the "medium-frame" (New Vaquero, 3-screw Blackhawk, 50th Anniversary Blackhawk) models. You could add "small-frame" (Single-Six) and "extra-small" frame (Bearcat) if you wanted to.... __________________ Proud member of Gun Culture 2.0......

October 26, 2012, 04:10 PM	#2
BLUETIP Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2012 Location: tennessee Posts: 119	I'm no help here but if they were to make one i'd sure buy one!

October 26, 2012, 08:23 PM	#3
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 1,246	I prefer my capacity to be in multiples of five. That's a row of cartridges in the box. So, to hold ten rounds in my single actions, the charge holes would have to number eleven, leaving an empty under the hammer. Not needed with the New Model Rugers, I know, but my practice just the same. Bob Wright

October 27, 2012, 03:44 PM	#5
DPris Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3,778	Not entirely true, Bob. Ruger does watch the two Ruger Forums & does pay at least SOME attention to suggestions, when feasible. May not actively "solicit" opinions, as such, but between that & market research at the dealer level they try to cover a broad range of models & features. The .308 Compact Magnum rifle was one that came about from a forum source. I don't see an 8-shot Blackhawk being viable in .357 Magnum. Denis

October 27, 2012, 07:53 PM	#7
drail Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2008 Posts: 3,150	It could be done in a poodle shooter caliber. With big bore calibers you're going to have to give up metal between the chambers weakening the cylinder (unless you upsize the frame and a Blackhawk is already a pretty big revolver). The best reason they have not built one is that you only need 6. If you need more than 6 buy a Glock.

October 28, 2012, 12:11 AM	#8
Jbotto Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: MN Posts: 312	I could see it feasible with a .44 BH frame but with the .357 holes in both the barrel and the cylinder. That hole in the .44 frame is a bit larger than the one in the .357 frame, isn't it?

October 28, 2012, 03:05 PM	#12
gak Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2005 Posts: 2,715	The .357 Blackhawk (non flattop) is the same size frame as .44 Mag SBH and .45 BH. I'd agree, probably 7 max. Ruger does have a "Tell the CEO" email or linked suggestion form on their website, and as one poster said, is known to monitor especially the Ruger forums and does appear to take notice and act on some suggestions "out there." Not as much or often as some of us would like

October 28, 2012, 09:36 PM	#16
igousigloo Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2011 Location: central Ohio Posts: 133	Just buy a 327 mag. and get used to it. 8 shots at 1700 to 1800 fps is easy to get used to!

October 29, 2012, 08:07 AM	#19
DWFan Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 206	The S&W N-frame cylinder is slightly smaller in diameter than the Blackhawk, so it might be possible.

October 29, 2012, 10:05 AM	#20
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,838	Any company is interested in new ideas if they are feasible and can be marketed at a profit. If you approach them, expect to sign a release saying you won't sue at a later date if they make a product that incorporates your ideas. They have ideas also and yours may duplicates something they are already working on. If you want to protect yourself, patent it first then approach them.

October 29, 2012, 11:15 AM	#21
deadcoyote Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: northern CA Posts: 471	Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the few people who initially thought the .327 was a pretty neat concept. The ammo price has just never come down, and availability is also no bueno. An 8 shot blackhawk would be a heck of a tool for around my spread, I just primarily carry a firearm around as a precaution for black bear and cougars. I've no doubt the .327 would do the job on foxes and feral cats, just wouldn't want to use it on bears. Of course our bears are usually quite small. I 've been getting a little over confident until I saw a huge feller about 5 days ago.

October 31, 2012, 02:10 PM	#22
ss30378 Junior Member Join Date: October 31, 2012 Posts: 10	The blackhawk is a beefy 357 with as much steel thats in the 6 shot version you can loads the 357s hot enough to equal the ft lbs of 8 mere mortal 357s... The 357 blackhawk is about as overbuilt as they get (besides the FA and redhawk 357). I've got a few loads over 1000 ft lbs with cases that look great and fall out of the chamber still. Not recommending this, just saying...

October 31, 2012, 03:49 PM	#23
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,408	Believe it or not, the gun companies do talk to one another, so I expect Ruger has kept pretty good track on sales of the S&W 8 shot revolver and not seen enough there to encourage spending a lot of bucks to copy it. The rationale for 7 and 8 shot revolvers was to be competitive with auto pistols limited to 10 round magazines by the assault weapons ban. With the AWB gone, at least for now, those revolvers come out on the short end of a weight to performance balance. Jim __________________ Jim K

November 3, 2012, 10:23 PM	#24
deadcoyote Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: northern CA Posts: 471	I see your point. I live in CA so I understand the craziness caused by the AWB/mag ban as it still exists as a state law here. Fortunately I'm a police officer so I'm exemt from the mag law, but that doesn't really matter since i carry a 9 shot 3" XD 40 anyhow. On a side note, when I go to the range to shoot you wouldn't believe how many folks approach me to try to buy my "contraband" hi-cap magazines.

November 14, 2012, 11:23 AM	#25
newfrontier45 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2012 Posts: 506	If S&W can do the N-frame, Ruger could do the large frame Blackhawk, its cylinder is larger. Why anyone would fall over themselves for such a critter, I have no idea.