Win. Model 12 ?

bamaranger · October 24, 2012, 02:54 AM

Ok pump gun fans, here ya go.

Did Winchester produce the Model 12 in 16 gauge with 26" bbl and full choke?

There is one for sale locally so configured. I suspect it's been cut. The muzzle bears a shiny ring and is not blued, and 26" - full does not seem right for that era.

Who knows?

gunut · October 24, 2012, 08:33 AM

yes they did.....right from the start until the late 40s or early 50s when they started cutting back on barrel/choke combinations.....measure the choke....on winchesters the standard drop in choke gauge works pretty good...

BigJimP · October 24, 2012, 01:47 PM

Measure the inside of the bore --- past the chamber - mid barrel if you can ...and then measure the inside of the bore at the choke end ....to make sure there still is a "choke" to the barrel.

If its been cut ....there probably will not be a "choke" to the barrel...or it might have been fit for a Cutts Compensator at some point / they were very common back in the day.

You can't just go by what the barrel says...

BLUETIP · October 25, 2012, 11:28 AM

Yes, what bigjim said

old roper · October 28, 2012, 08:52 AM

It could be cut back as they made 28" pretty common

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Win...n_id=100289069

jaguarxk120 · October 28, 2012, 09:37 AM

The shiny ring could be the solder left behind from a Cutts/Poly choke that was removed.

Those chokes are very good but don't add anything to the value. Actually they take away from the value. So a gun with out it would have a higher asking price than with it.

SOUTHERN WOODS · October 28, 2012, 03:23 PM

If this is like the M97's check to see if the serial number on the receiver and the barrel match.

Winchester may have phased out with putting a serial number on both (I'm too lazy to check my reference book

) but it could very well be a take off barrel from another gun that was either cut or standard length.

old roper · October 28, 2012, 05:55 PM

I had to go pull my model 12 16ga and see what the barrel length was it's 28" full choke and has a rib serial # 91XXXX and was made 1942.

I also have model 12 20ga with rib and choke is CYL serial # 64XXXX made 1931.

October 24, 2012, 02:54 AM	#1
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 3,625	Win. Model 12 ? Ok pump gun fans, here ya go. Did Winchester produce the Model 12 in 16 gauge with 26" bbl and full choke? There is one for sale locally so configured. I suspect it's been cut. The muzzle bears a shiny ring and is not blued, and 26" - full does not seem right for that era. Who knows?

October 28, 2012, 08:52 AM	#5
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 691	It could be cut back as they made 28" pretty common http://www.gunsinternational.com/Win...n_id=100289069 __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam VFW

October 28, 2012, 05:55 PM	#8
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 691	I had to go pull my model 12 16ga and see what the barrel length was it's 28" full choke and has a rib serial # 91XXXX and was made 1942. I also have model 12 20ga with rib and choke is CYL serial # 64XXXX made 1931. __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam VFW

October 24, 2012, 08:33 AM	#2
gunut Member Join Date: March 12, 2011 Location: Sussex Wi. Posts: 24	yes they did.....right from the start until the late 40s or early 50s when they started cutting back on barrel/choke combinations.....measure the choke....on winchesters the standard drop in choke gauge works pretty good...

October 24, 2012, 01:47 PM	#3
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 9,962	Measure the inside of the bore --- past the chamber - mid barrel if you can ...and then measure the inside of the bore at the choke end ....to make sure there still is a "choke" to the barrel. If its been cut ....there probably will not be a "choke" to the barrel...or it might have been fit for a Cutts Compensator at some point / they were very common back in the day. You can't just go by what the barrel says...

October 25, 2012, 11:28 AM	#4
BLUETIP Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2012 Location: tennessee Posts: 119	Yes, what bigjim said

October 28, 2012, 09:37 AM	#6
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,681	The shiny ring could be the solder left behind from a Cutts/Poly choke that was removed. Those chokes are very good but don't add anything to the value. Actually they take away from the value. So a gun with out it would have a higher asking price than with it.

October 28, 2012, 03:23 PM	#7
SOUTHERN WOODS Member Join Date: October 24, 2012 Posts: 16	If this is like the M97's check to see if the serial number on the receiver and the barrel match. Winchester may have phased out with putting a serial number on both (I'm too lazy to check my reference book ) but it could very well be a take off barrel from another gun that was either cut or standard length.