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Old October 18, 2012, 09:14 AM   #1
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A Stunning Display of Military Stupidity

In my opinion, what we see on this video should never happen, especially from special ops. This is absolutely insane. I still can't believe that soldiers would actually have someone stand with a balloon in their mouth and allow another soldier to attempt to shoot the balloon with an M4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1IWgcJMixk
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:24 AM   #2
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Didn't Annie Oakley used to shoot lit cigarettes out of her husband's and other peoples mouths? Would you consider them stupid as well?
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:29 AM   #3
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Just because someone is famous for doing stupid things, doesn't make it any less stupid.
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:32 AM   #4
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The main problem is that kids see stuff like this and probably think its just fun. Who knows what they might try based on this video? Someone could get seriously hurt attempting to mimic this kind of Special Forces training.

Not only that, it was broadcast on TV for everyone to see.
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:45 AM   #5
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Not sure we really want to assist in spreading news of such idiocy around.

However, if you know of similar idiocies and any efforts to end such idiocy, go ahead--preferably with info about the latter effort.
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:58 AM   #6
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I had the good fortune to meet a fine old Sgt Major who had a number of wisdom rich one liners.

"There is no sense practicing something you can only screw up once"

An E-silouhette target would have served as well for the demo with the balloons.The human model was there purely for drama.

While it could be argued there is advantage to live fire training such as was demonstrated,in my limited,non-veteran experience,US Army Special Forces troops do not practice drama to impress civilians.The ones I know are low key.

In the vid,there is not a risk vs benefit to add up to good training.

Jackass Show type stunts are better left to skateboarders and base jumpers.

Actually,I just viewed the vid again.I did not hear anything to indicate this demonstration has anything to do with any of our military.I see jackets that appear to have a logo that looks similar to Panther Arms.
I do not buy the idea these clowns represent our military.
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:00 AM   #7
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On the up side, I'm pretty sure those aren't American SpecOps guys. Still... stooopid.
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:13 AM   #8
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Note that there is no footage showing both shooters and the fellow holding the balloon. All footage for that portion of the video shows shooters and target separately. When shooting at just balloons the video showed the shooters and balloons from behind.

Bogus staging and stoopid, not special, forces in my opinion.
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:41 AM   #9
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Just because someone is famous for doing stupid things, doesn't make it any less stupid.
Well said! Risky behavior is all the rage these days. We have lots of excellent role models on how to be stupid at the risk of our lives (Xtreme Sports, Jackass films, AFHM, etc). It's almost like our society is making a point of taking thrill seeking to a new low. Used to be if you did something that asinine, someone would come along and whup it out of you.
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:27 PM   #10
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Didn't Annie Oakley used to shoot lit cigarettes out of her husband's and other peoples mouths? Would you consider them stupid as well?
Well, it didn't make them smart... Back in those days you could legally buy medicine show concoctions containing opium, and cocaine. Just because they did this doesn't make it right.
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:43 PM   #11
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I have a friend who conducts live exercises for the PD and he was telling me about a group of Special Ops types that were on the same range as he was and they were going down range to tend targets without calling for a cease fire.

After he got the range cold, he asked them why they did that and they replied they were confident enough of the marksmanship of the people on their left and right, they had no qualms about going downrange during live fire.

I can't imagine doing that myself.
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:50 PM   #12
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These are the same guys that get the address wrong, kick in the wrong door, and shoot the wrong person.
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:54 PM   #13
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geetarman: I have a friend who conducts live exercises for the PD...
There aren't any ricochets in spec ops... everybody knows that. duh.

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Old October 18, 2012, 07:09 PM   #14
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These guys may indeed win the darwin award, but they may very well take someone with them.
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Old October 18, 2012, 07:45 PM   #15
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First, these guys were certainly not US military.

Secondly, I'd also bet that they were shooting some type of non lethal ammo. Something like this perhaps http://simunition.com/en

Nonetheless, this is pretty stupid to endorse. Perhaps the show itself might spell out that this was not live ammo but as a tease they didn't disclose that in the promo. Overall pretty stupid though.
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Old October 18, 2012, 08:03 PM   #16
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Its editing... No doubt. also notice how the balloon holder doesnt have ear pro? Or flinch at each shot... pssh totally hollywood.

I concur this stuff is totally stupid to put out there.
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Old October 18, 2012, 08:10 PM   #17
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Not military stupidity. It may not be necessary, but SF guys train with shooting past one another, so the fact that somebody stands absolutely still an let's trained folks shoot by isn't too terrible at all. I would not do it voluntarily, but if there is an issue of stupidity, it is of the guy letting themselves be shot by.

The only military problem I saw was that one of the supposedly highly trained shooters could not clear a jam. What does that tell you? How about maybe that they really aren't the highly trained military guys that they are claimed to be?
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Old October 18, 2012, 08:42 PM   #18
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I call shenanigans. Simunitions or hollywood trickery. I noticed the same thing Double Naught pointed out.
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The only military problem I saw was that one of the supposedly highly trained shooters could not clear a jam. What does that tell you? How about maybe that they really aren't the highly trained military guys that they are claimed to be?
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:04 PM   #19
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Hesco barriers and Arabs...brings back memories.

And that was actually pretty good shooting (compared to the usual Iraqi/Afghani marksmanship). I couldn't put my thumb on the uniforms, but it reminds me of an Iraqi Police unit for some reason.

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Old October 18, 2012, 09:10 PM   #20
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According to the link they were Lebanese Special Forces. At that distance it would be hard to miss. If they want to do a real Buddy Trust Shoot back up about 275ft. See how well you trust your ole pal now.
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:49 PM   #21
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I'm pretty sure I have never trusted another human being that much. Does that make me a lone wolf type?
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Old October 18, 2012, 11:14 PM   #22
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That wasn't dangerous: they gave him safety glasses to wear....

Take the glasses off and it's a whole other story!!

On a more practical note: surely, with an M4 firing in your direction, you wouldn't really "hear the bullet whizz", as one of the two "presenters" claimed in their video, would you?
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Old October 18, 2012, 11:28 PM   #23
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The main problem is that kids see stuff like this and probably think its just fun. Who knows what they might try based on this video? Someone could get seriously hurt attempting to mimic this kind of Special Forces training.

Not only that, it was broadcast on TV for everyone to see.
statements like this irritate me to no end.

back when I was growing up(and I still have a 2 in front of my age) you never had to have a legal disclaimer at the beginning of a tv show in case kids thought that was fun because we really weren't dumb enough to try it.
we watched violent cartoons, shot bb guns heck we had regular back yard safaris with our BB guns. we watched america's funniest home videos, and we never once said to ourselves "hey lets go out back and kick each other in the bean bags for a while, that looks like fun".

the way I figure it if a kid is dumb enough to try something like that at home then it is the parent's fault, not the trained professional that did it first. I grew up in a house full of hunters and some of the earliest lessons I learned were that once you die there is no respawn point and guns are not toys. I learned these long before I ever touched a gun.

if my child tried shooting a balloon out of somebodies mouth I would count that as a failure on my part and I would accept full responsibility for my childs actions. I would not blame tv, video games, playboy, the marines or anybody else.

if you have a kid and own a gun you owe it to your child to teach them as early as possible that guns are not toys.
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Old October 19, 2012, 10:06 AM   #24
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Old October 19, 2012, 02:50 PM   #25
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Does that really build trust? Boy, let me tell you, it sure does. If I held a balloon in my mouth and someone shot at it and hit me in the head, I would never trust him again!

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