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Old October 9, 2012, 06:11 PM   #1
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flintlock elk

I should have posted this here instead of the black powder and bullet casting forums.

In took this elk in Wyoming last Monday. He came in to a cow elk call and I shot him at 40 yards. I was shooting a traditional flintlock pushing a round ball cast from wheel weight lead. He doesn't have a monster rack, but I'm ecstatic!

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Old October 9, 2012, 06:31 PM   #2
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He doesn't have a monster rack, but I'm ecstatic!
I would be too. I respect you for your choice in a firearm. I don't muzzleload hunt, but if I ever start I don't want anything to do with modern inline rifles. I currently use my recurve during our primitave weapons season.
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Old October 9, 2012, 07:04 PM   #3
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Very impressive sir. Nice looking flinter too. Congrats on your accomplishment.
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Old October 9, 2012, 07:36 PM   #4
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NICE!
I flashed my pan on 2 5X5's and one 6X6 over the years.
I was fortunate to take a nice big OLD cow this fall but my rifle mis-fired on the first attempt. Went off fine on the second try.
Congrat's!
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Old October 9, 2012, 07:59 PM   #5
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He came in to a cow elk call and I shot him at 40 yards.
What? That's impossible! Everyone knows you can't get closer to a Wyoming Elk than 450yds

Good hunting.
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Old October 9, 2012, 09:05 PM   #6
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Nice bull and impressive kill. I gave up the muzzleloader for a crossbow this year. I had a few bad experiences with moisture in the past. One in particular with a big buck chasing a doe at 15 yards. I really appreciate the difficulty involved.
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Old October 9, 2012, 10:17 PM   #7
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called it in to 40 yards? Nice work. Nice bull for sure.
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Old October 10, 2012, 01:37 AM   #8
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Congrats on the fine Bull! Very cool that you got him at less than than 500 yards and with less than a 338 Weatherby Mag.
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Old October 10, 2012, 08:31 AM   #9
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That's a dandy bull and beautiful rifle. Did your bullet deform much after impact or did it pretty much retain it's round shape?

I shoot a 45 caliber flintlock but have not taken any game with it, yet.

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Old October 10, 2012, 09:44 AM   #10
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Very good! I love you elk bowlers! I have bowled for antelope, but never elk. Nice trophy and good eating, those rag-horns are some of the best table fare!
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Old October 10, 2012, 10:00 AM   #11
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Congrats on the nice bull elk. Taken the old fashioned way too, i like that.
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Old October 10, 2012, 11:20 AM   #12
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The ball actually split into two parts, which I found side by side under the far side skin. I'm not sure why the ball broke. I presume it hit a rib or something, though I did not get a good look at the ribs. The two parts total 96% of the original weight.
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Old October 10, 2012, 08:01 PM   #13
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Great job!
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Old October 11, 2012, 12:22 PM   #14
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pushing a round ball cast from wheel weight lead.
I have never used anything but pure lead in a muzzle loader. Is there any rifling marks in that bullet? what thickness patch are you using?
What is your bullet diameter?

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those rag-horns are some of the best table fare
What is "Rag-horn" about that bull??
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Old October 11, 2012, 01:42 PM   #15
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While not a BP shooter (yet), I'd be willing to bet that your ball split because it was cast from WW's. Go for pure lead.
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Old October 11, 2012, 04:40 PM   #16
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Gbro-

In Wyoming, a small 4 or 5 point bull (2+ age class) is generically refered to as a "rag horn". Nothing derogitory is ment when someone refers to shooting a "rag-horn", as most meat hunters prefer to harvest either a rag-horn or spike, as they are much easier on the pallet than the older "herd bulls".

By definition, the OP's Wyoming elk is a very fine example of a "rag-horn". One that he should be very, very proud to have harvested. And even prouder to have harvested with a flintlock!

I hope I have explained it, and absolutly no disrespect was ment.
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Old October 11, 2012, 04:44 PM   #17
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Man you rock. Nice elk there.
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Old October 12, 2012, 07:28 PM   #18
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I have never used anything but pure lead in a muzzle loader. Is there any rifling marks in that bullet? what thickness patch are you using?
What is your bullet diameter?
Elsewhere I have posted about using hardened lead in a front stuffer. Most of my knowledge about that comes from the founder of Cast Performance Bullet Company, himself a builder of muzzle loading rifles and former serious competitor.

From the deformation of the two pieces of the ball, it is obvious the ball hit something that caused it to shear into two pieces. The two pieces were side by side under the far side skin, therefore the ball probably hit the far side rib. Had the ball broken by hitting the front side rib, the two pieces would not likely have traveled together to the far side, but would have diverged.

I can't identify any marks from rifling, though I've never found any rifling marks on pure lead balls recovered from game. They flatten too much to show any rifling. See the "ball" below, recovered from a small black bear. No way you will find any rifling marks.


The severe flattening of pure lead balls made me question their suitability for elk, where penetration of 30" or more might be required. That lead me to the "Cast Boolits" forum and ultimately to wheel weight lead.

For the elk I shot a 0.490" ball with a 0.015" patch. One piece of the ball recovered from the elk shows the impression of the patch material.

As for accuracy of wheel weight lead balls, see the 50 yard target below. I fired 10 shots of my hunting loads, though only 9 are clearly distinguishable.
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Old October 13, 2012, 08:28 PM   #19
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Certainly has no accuracy issues!
Years ago I damaged a round ball mold, (Lee), when I mistakenly added some alloy lead.
I might just have to play around with some hard cast round balls now that I have Lyman molds.

As for the rag horn definition, well I think this thread pictures a nice young 5X5 bull.
I will reserve the term Rag Horn for the young bulls that have unmatched spindley ugly antlers.
And to each his own.
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Old October 26, 2012, 06:55 PM   #20
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Remember the movie Jeremiah Johnson?

"You nailed him clean, pilgram!"

Congrats. Any animal with a flintlock is a trophy.
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Old October 26, 2012, 08:10 PM   #21
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I am impressed...........
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Old October 27, 2012, 05:15 PM   #22
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Actually, the bull is a legitimate 6x6, though the #6 on both sides are small and one side is broken. I'm thrilled anyway.

BTW, thanks for all the congratulatory and complimentary replies.
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Old October 28, 2012, 02:37 AM   #23
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He doesn't have a monster rack, but I'm ecstatic!
It's still meat in the freezer. Never was able to cook an antler or horn tender enough to eat.
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Old October 28, 2012, 06:39 AM   #24
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Awesome!! Still working on bow season here, but I'll be taking my flintlock out for the rest of rifle + muzzleloader. Got a coyote with it last year when it was 10F outside, but no deer. This was the only pic I got (the rifle did much better in the cold than the camera battery).



I haven't had any moisture problems. My frizzen makes a good tight fit over the pan though; I keep it under a greased calves knee in the rain and replace the priming every 30min if it wet out (2hrs or so if it's nice). It goes bang 9 times out of 10.
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Old October 29, 2012, 12:46 AM   #25
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looks like one hell of a trophy to me! Congrats !!
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