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Old October 18, 2012, 08:55 PM   #1
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Used Winchester 1300

Found one of these days, wood stock, wood pump, probably 20 years old at least, sseemed in reasonable shape, asking 250, could probably get a little lower. Is this a deal?
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:54 PM   #2
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Seems to be reasonable. What is the barrel length? Does it have the Winchoke screw in barrel? Does it pump smooth or stick? Gunbroker has Win 1300 22" and 18" barrels for sale for about $200.
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Old October 19, 2012, 09:56 AM   #3
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A little high on price , unless near new condition or have extras . The 1300pump is a great shot gun . Winchester 1300 is my #1 pick in pumps. Around here 175-200 dollars avereage , some up to 250 in nice shape .
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Old October 19, 2012, 11:09 AM   #4
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Thanks, guys, for the info!
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:52 PM   #5
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Agree, that's a bit high, even if it has the Winchoke system and all the tubes.

But...

The 1200 and the 1300 are two of the toughest shotguns you'll ever encounter.
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Old October 21, 2012, 01:25 PM   #6
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in good condition i would buy it. about 10 years ago i paid $200 for a like new condition 1300 Defender at a pawn shop. wood stock and pump.

i own two Winchester 1300's, i like the ergonomics of the safety and slide release much better than Remingtons, and Mossberg pumps feel too loose for my tastes.
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Old October 21, 2012, 03:46 PM   #7
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What about the plastic parts that will break?

You guys know, the ones that can be had now!
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Old October 21, 2012, 04:15 PM   #8
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The 1200s and 1300s are different animals. The 1200s are far from tough. Most 1300s seem to be okay. The 1400 semi autos are not a good investment either in my opinion.
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Old October 21, 2012, 09:31 PM   #9
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I've got nearly 20,000 rounds through my 1200, and who knows how many rounds the previous owner put through it.

Never had a single issue with parts breakage, a misfeed, or anything like that.

I'll stick by my assessment, the 1200s are tough shotguns.
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Old October 21, 2012, 11:57 PM   #10
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That's a little high but if it's perfect condition grab it because the value is only gonna go up them things are in hi demand
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Old October 22, 2012, 05:59 AM   #11
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Many years ago Winchester opened a skeet and trap range. They sold shotguns and you could rent a 1200 or a 1400. A friend worked there. They literally stacked the 1200s and 1400s in a barrel until they got a bunch and then shipped them all back to Winchester to be repaired.
I am glad yours is doing well and I wish you continued good shooting.
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Old October 23, 2012, 12:39 PM   #12
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The 1200s and 1300s are different animals.
Other than "cosmetics", in what significant way(s) do the Winchester Models 1200 and 1300 shotguns differ? Author Don Zutz, in his book Modern Waterfowl Guns & Gunning, described the Model 1300 as being a "revamped" Model 1200, saying, "...Both guns have high-strength aluminum receivers, cast and stamped parts, and mass-production assembly..."
In his book, The American Shotgun, author David F. Butler reported that the Model 1200 endured extensive 1,000, 5,000 and 10,000 round endurance test cycles during its development, "...the whole cycle (being) repeated again and again until the mechanism had been so refined that it could stand long endurance tests without breakage..." Mr. Butler concluded "...This meant that many components within the Model 1200 were stronger than they had to be for a slide-action shotgun, but the design team felt that these decisions would result in a smooth-working, long-lived shotgun..."
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Old October 23, 2012, 03:24 PM   #13
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The Model 1200 and the Model 1300 are pretty much the same shotgun. I've had several of both over the years and all have been durable and good shooters.
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Old October 24, 2012, 03:11 PM   #14
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"They literally stacked the 1200s and 1400s in a barrel until they got a bunch and then shipped them all back to Winchester to be repaired."

Are you sure they were 1200s, and not the virtually identical, but cheaper and apparently less durable, 120?

There was a similar Model 140, which was a cheaped down version of the 1400.
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Old October 24, 2012, 03:18 PM   #15
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If it doesn't have screw in changeable chokes...I think you should pass on it.

Not all model 1300's had the winchoke system in them / I don't think Winchester started installing them until the mid 80's ...but not positive.

Barrel length / and if its a fixed choke ...what the choke is - all affect value in a big way. If it has the winchoke changeable choke system in it ...and how many choke tubes come with the gun - will also affect the value.

If its a fixed choke gun ...value in my opinion is maybe $100.
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Old October 24, 2012, 03:28 PM   #16
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My dad has a 1200 bought in 1975 that has the Winchoke.
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Old October 24, 2012, 04:29 PM   #17
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Ok, forget what I said....sorry ..../ I thought all the 1200 were fixed choke guns....
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Old October 24, 2012, 07:47 PM   #18
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Okay, forget it. I must have imagined the whole thing.
I don't know what the specific differences are between the 1200 and the 1300, because I have never been a huge fan of either, although I sold a good number of 1300s and have also shot a few and never had any issues. If they are the same, why did Winchester "revamp" the 1200 and change nothing?
Remington bought the rights to the Ithaca Mag 10, and they were almost 3 years working out a "few kinks" in that design before they re-released it. I don't know exactly what they did. I did own a Mag 10 and replaced more than one broken part on mine, and on a bunch of other peoples'. I have yet to see a Remington Mag 10 with a broken part, and they look about the same too.
They were not 120s. I did not imagine that. the Winchester design team no doubt had good intentions with the 1400 too, and it was a total flop. They never made a decent semi from the time they passed on John Browning's Auto 5 design until the Super X. The post -64 Model 70 was a great improvement too, no?
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Old October 24, 2012, 08:55 PM   #19
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Old October 25, 2012, 05:23 AM   #20
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BTW, that range was outside Williamsburg, VA. The range is long gone, but off Penniman Rd., just East of I-64 across from Water Country, there is still a small lane to no where. Winchester Rd.
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