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Old November 6, 2012, 01:21 AM   #51
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Look at where the gun is pointed when sitting using that carry location. Lots of important (to most of us anyways) stuff AND the femoral arteries. If I'm going to shoot myself, I'd rather shoot myself in the butt cheek than the ,well you know. A pistol carried behind or on the hipbone is less likely to cause a life threatening unjury in case of an ND.
My Son showed me a set of internet pics of the results of a poor/wornout IWB holster design and a Glock. Fortunately, it was behind the hip and the guy only had some vehicle damage and a scrape on his butt. Had it been in front of the hipbone(appendix carry), it's a good chance the guy would have had serious injuries or worse.
^ this.

And appendix or "Mexican" carry has never been comfortable or ideal to me. It always gets in the way esp when sitting.
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Old November 6, 2012, 08:24 AM   #52
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Look at where the gun is pointed when sitting using that carry location. Lots of important (to most of us anyways) stuff AND the femoral arteries. If I'm going to shoot myself, I'd rather shoot myself in the butt cheek than the ,well you know. A pistol carried behind or on the hipbone is less likely to cause a life threatening unjury in case of an ND.
My Son showed me a set of internet pics of the results of a poor/wornout IWB holster design and a Glock. Fortunately, it was behind the hip and the guy only had some vehicle damage and a scrape on his butt. Had it been in front of the hipbone(appendix carry), it's a good chance the guy would have had serious injuries or worse.
^ this.

And appendix or "Mexican" carry has never been comfortable or ideal to me. It always gets in the way esp when sitting.
First of all, we are talking about appendix carry here. "Mexican" carry is not the same thing. Same location, but "Mexican" carry is done without a holster.

I don't understand why it gets in the way esp when sitting. Unless you are talking about carrying a large pistol, which I agree could get in the way. I only do it with small guns. And as I explained in a previous post, with the package positoned and canted properly it is 100% comfortable when sitting and, oh, so easy to draw.....Oh, I am carrying my J-frame right now at 10:30. I had to push my belly in a bit to see it because I couldn't feel it.

Second, I don't care where you carry your gun, your handling skills should be refined enough that a negligent discharge is not a possibility. We are talking about concealed carry here. Not an old West style shootout where the quickest draw wins. My hands are crippled - paralyzed a substantial amount. So a super quick draw is not even a possibility for me. I use situational awareness to try and give myself enough time to get my gun in action. If someone catches me totally by surprise, I probably wouldn't have had time to draw anyway. See ya on the other side. I put rubber grip surfaces on all of my guns to aid in controlling them. When drawing a gun from any position, I don't try to get a complete firing grip while still drawing the gun and my trigger finger goes nowhere near the trigger. I get the gun drawn and pointed away from me, then I use my weak hand to assist in getting the gun positioned properly in my strong hand. I point at the target and THEN insert my finger in front of the trigger. And I don't try to stage the trigger, either. When reholstering, I do so slowly with my trigger finger gripping the gun below the trigger guard. The only guns I carry AIWB are my J-frame and my Taurus 738 TCP, and both guns have a long double action trigger pull. I don't do "Mexican" carry, I use holsters that keep the trigger covered. So I don't worry about my jewels or my femoral arteries when carrying a gun AIWB.
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Old November 6, 2012, 10:38 AM   #53
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The largest gun I feel comfortable carrying AIWB is my Glock 27 with the grip enhancer. I carry all the time hiking and working outdoors. If I was going to be sitting for hours without moving it may get uncomfortable. With a proper holster and belt it is quite secure. My J frame is slightly more concealable, but comfort is about the same.

It is not for everyone.I guess that is why we all have a box (or 2) full of holsters.

Jfootin; That is where we differ, I on the other hand try to obtain a firing grip before I draw, but, that is my training. I also keep my finger off the trigger until the gun is up, that is training as well.
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Old November 6, 2012, 10:44 AM   #54
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I have yet to find a pocket holster that doesn't come out of my pocket with the gun. All I have bought advertise that the gun comes out easily, but I find it comes out easily only when taken out of the pocket and pulled off with the weak hand.

Where am I going wrong?
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Old November 6, 2012, 11:11 AM   #55
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"Mexican carry"

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I remember some old-timers on the YPD who used to wrap a rubber band or two around the wood grips of their 2" snub-nose revolvers and then stick the gun in their waist-band. The rubber bands were supposed to catch on the trouser waist-band and prevent the firearm from slipping down. A cheap carry for certain, and one I would not try.
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Old November 6, 2012, 01:10 PM   #56
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Where am I going wrong?
You haven't got a Stays-Put Ultra yet! Cough up the $14.95 and get one.
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Old November 8, 2012, 05:08 PM   #57
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Have you seen a YouTube review on this holster with the PM/CM9?
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Old November 8, 2012, 07:25 PM   #58
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JimPage,

You're probably buying expensive holsters for your pocket. Pocket holsters are weird: as far as I can tell, the more expensive they are, the less likely they are to work well.

Take a look at the DeSantis Superfly.

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Old November 8, 2012, 07:41 PM   #59
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I've tried both and the Stays-Put Ultra is thinner and doesn't print like the Desantis. And like the name says, it stays put.
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Old November 8, 2012, 10:09 PM   #60
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I ordered one from Desantis. If that doesn't work, I'll try the other one. Thanks, men
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Old November 12, 2012, 07:02 PM   #61
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I’ll be releasing an AIWB holster during the first part of December. I have a ton of research into this project and feedback from several qualified instructors and real world operators. Over the last year I have transitioned to “True Believer” status on the pros of the appendix carry for CCW. The speed the weapon can be effectively deployed from concealment is unmatched. The primary reason this is possible is that the non-shooting hand clears the clothing while the shooting hand acquires the firing grip. The speed advantage is even greater from seated positions when compared to strong side carry locations.
Saying all that, however; Appendix carry is not for everyone. If you do not train forget about it. Body type is also an issue. If you are a “Dunlap” method conceal guy; that is if you use the excess portion of your belly that laps over your belt to help hide your firearm then you gain no advantage from AIWB carry. I am not being judgmental here that is just the fact of the matter. Big guys who hang over their belts are better served with a strong side carry. A proper holster is also key. It must enable you to securely carry while also allowing you to position the weapon in the proper place. For me that means that the grip of the weapon is above the belt sufficient for a full firing grip prior to the draw. If your carry is too low then you will waist time and motion as you dig the weapon out from under the belt. Printing can also be an issue. Body type, holster type, placement in conjunction with a correct carry for deployment all play roles in determining if AIWB is correct for you.
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Old November 14, 2012, 01:41 PM   #62
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Here's an article on the subject... I don't think it's been linked in this thread yet:

http://www.activeresponsetraining.ne...-cant-be-wrong
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Old November 20, 2012, 05:16 PM   #63
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Clip Draw

I like to carry my S&W model 60 with a clipdraw brand clip. I carry it strong side apendix. For me, appendix works the best. I wear suspenders instead of a belt, so I can't really use a traditional holster. And I have no concerns about safety. Remember, your primary safety is between your ears.
Yeah, I can't draw while I'm sitting in my truck, but that's not an issue for me since I keep another pistol in my truck anyway. And if I'm riding in my wife's car I just slip the pistol under the seat or in the jockey box. Which works well since I use the clip draw and don't have to worry about a holster.
YMMV but it works for me.

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Old November 25, 2012, 08:38 PM   #64
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I carry AIWB almost exclusively. Subtle differences in holster design can make or break it for many folks. I prefer the JM Custom Kydex AIWB holster. The CCC Shaggy holster has also been well received. The good news is that as AIWB carrying has increased in popularity the market has responded with increasingly viable holster options.

Pros:

It conceals very well (not just standing- seated, bending at the waist,etc), is comfortable, secure (allows for a two-handed defense), affords protection from bump-frisks, allows for access from under many cold-weather clothing options without having to unzip, allows access from the ground or against a wall, and it is fast - very fast (two handed draws are faster, one handed may be slower than traditional IWB).

Cons:

It requires an un-tucked, closed-front shirt, is body type/shape dependent (it does not work well for people with guts or shorter torsos), it may not work well with ballistic vest (depending on body shape and fit of vest), one handed draws may be slower, and if you are careless with your trigger discipline, you may die.

An excellent discussion of the topic may be found here:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...ppendix-Carry)
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Old November 28, 2012, 06:43 PM   #65
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Question: it's standard practice to treat every gun as if it were loaded, to never point it at anything you aren't prepared to destroy.
Would any of you place your hand in front of the barrel? How about pointing a loaded handgun at your stomach, chest, face...?
heck no! That would be nuts and unsafe!
Yet, you carry your gun pointed directly at your d*ck, or lower abdomen when you sit down?
Um, never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy means the gun in your hand ready to fire, since it is human mistakes that cause tragedy. Cripes, I'm not willing to destroy my expensive nightstand and headboard, yet my EDC rests there at night for HD duty. In a proper holster, a gun should be as safe as when sitting all by itself, and we all know no gun has gone off by itself while sitting peacefully, there have been videos to prove it. A gun pointing at something or someone while relaxing in a proper holster need not apply.

Still, I too have an aversion to having one with a barrel aligned with my private parts, and thus have never carried that way. Hey, we all have our little quirks.
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Old November 29, 2012, 01:38 PM   #66
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I ordered one from Desantis. If that doesn't work, I'll try the other one. Thanks, men

Uh...Pax aka Kathy Jackson is a lady. O_O lol just saying.

As for the thread..I am not going to lie. I'm against appendix carry.
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Old November 29, 2012, 01:57 PM   #67
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One still points a gun at the leg and hip when holstering strong side. Any of the wounds from holstering in either location can be fatal. Training, an engaged brain, and solid gear are the keys to success with regard to this topic.
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