The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Revolver Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old October 11, 2012, 06:13 PM   #1
Joe_Pike
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 30, 2010
Posts: 1,060
Anyone A Big Fan Of The .22 Magnum?

For some reason the .22 magnum cartridge has me intrigued. I thought about one of the PMR-30s some time back, but of course they are nearly impossible to come across. Then I started thinking, "If I am going to look at buying a .22 Magnum gun, why not get a revolver?". I think the PMR-30 will eventually be able to be had cheap and will sell cheaper on the used market. However, something like a S&W mode 48 might be a little pricey now, but it will retain much of its value or even go up in value over the years.

I've sold some guns lately and have set that money back for a rainy day, but now I'm wanting to save some money and pick up a nice model 18 or something like the model 48 sometime in the future.

So, my question to you folks is what double action revolvers, old or new, are out there that are worthy of taking a look at? I know there are single actions out there, but I think I want a double action.
__________________
Stay Groovy

Last edited by Joe_Pike; October 11, 2012 at 06:35 PM.
Joe_Pike is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 06:17 PM   #2
Microgunner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 6, 2006
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,105
I'm now waiting for a S&W mod 351 .22WMR to come into stock at one of the wholesalers we use.
It's a 10oz 7-shot DA revolver w/1.875" bbl.
I want one so bad I could spit.
I'll get one sooner or later.
__________________
Proud NRA Patron Member
Microgunner is online now  
Old October 11, 2012, 06:31 PM   #3
BOBA FETT
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 3, 2006
Posts: 250
i love the 22 magnum..i have a taurus snubbie in 22 magnum...at the range people think its a 357 or 44 when im firing it but when i tell them its a 22 magnum they are like what ????mean little gun it is...
BOBA FETT is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 08:49 PM   #4
coyota1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 6, 2008
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 661
I really like my NAA mini mag. Shoots strait for the size of the gun.
coyota1 is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 08:50 PM   #5
Bob Wright
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 10, 2012
Location: Memphis, Tennessee
Posts: 1,944
The .22 WMR has the advantage, if no other, of being slightly larger than .22 L.R. cartridges (Duh!) which is a big help when your hands are cold.

The .22 WMR revolver also took the .22 WRF cartridges, which were flat point lead bullets at slightly lower velocities. This made a good combination for gray squirrels in tall timber. The .22 WRF didn't destroy meat, gave about the same performance as high velocity .22 L.R.

Loaded with .22 WMR hollow points, the magnum works good on small game and varmints.

Bob Wright
Bob Wright is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 10:37 PM   #6
bamaranger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 2009
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 4,488
lukewarm

I had little positive to say re the .22 mag till I came into my Dad's 6" +/- barreled Single 6. Dad always used the .22 lr cylinder, but the mag cylinder was unused. As I had all the .22lr I needed in a Bearcat and a MkII semi, as a novelty more than anything else, I put in the mag cylinder and had at it.

From the longer barrel of the Single 6, the mag shows much more performance on pests than .22 lr out of the MkII or Bearcat. It shoots a good bit flatter too, useful on larger targets past 50. I can't shoot well enough to hit anything to small past 50 anymore. The load the 6 likes best is the old standard Win 40 JHP. It also shoots the FMJ version to same POI, but I don't use that load for anything.

The .22mag is too expensive to shoot as a plinker, but its improved punch over std .22lr has won me over as a field gun.
bamaranger is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 10:51 PM   #7
Chasesf1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 7, 2012
Posts: 7
I am a huge fan of the 22 mag. I have a custom Taurus model 941 with a 3" barrel that I carry every now and then. The 22 mag is very underrated, thus I am taking advantage of this and buying ammo while its cheap! When you look at the energy produced from the 22 mag round against the 38 special, 32 acp, 25 acp, and the 380 you find that the 22 mag (out of a pistol range barrel) is able to compete with than them all. Here is the info to back my claim.

22 MAG
Winchester Dynapoint mag RF. It is a 45 grain bullet in a full length mag case but its velocity runs around 1550 fps... and 250 pounds of muzzle energy.
Barrel 6.6"
Source: Gunblast.com (Notice I didnt use wikapedia.com's rifle barrel length chart for this comparison)

38 SPECIAL 4" BARREL
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
110 gr (7.1 g) JHP 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 235 ft·lbf (319 J)
130 gr (8.4 g) FMJ 810 ft/s (250 m/s) 189 ft·lbf (256 J)
148 gr (9.6 g) LWC 690 ft/s (210 m/s) 156 ft·lbf (212 J)
158 gr (10.2 g) LRN 770 ft/s (230 m/s) 208 ft·lbf (282 J)
200 gr (13 g) LRN 679 ft/s (207 m/s) 204 ft·lbf (277 J)


.32 ACP
65 gr (4.2 g) JHP 925 ft/s (282 m/s) 123 ft·lbf (167 J)
71 gr (4.6 g) FMJ 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 128 ft·lbf (174 J)
Test barrel length: 4 inch

25 ACP
35 gr (2.3 g) Safety [1] 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 94 ft·lbf (127 J)
35 gr (2.3 g) JHP 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 63 ft·lbf (85 J)
45 gr (2.9 g) JHP 815 ft/s (248 m/s) 66 ft·lbf (89 J)
50 gr (3.2 g) FMJ 760 ft/s (230 m/s) 65 ft·lbf (88 J)
Test barrel length: 2 in
Source(s): Guns & Ammo Magazine

380 ACP 3.7" BARREL
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
90 gr (5.8 g) JHP 1,000 ft/s (300 m/s) 200 ft·lbf (270 J)
95 gr (6.2 g) FMJ 980 ft/s (300 m/s) 203 ft·lbf (275 J)

The 380, 32 acp, 25 acp, and 38 special ballistics all come from wikipedia.com
Chasesf1 is offline  
Old October 11, 2012, 11:03 PM   #8
JohnKSa
Staff
 
Join Date: February 12, 2001
Location: DFW Area
Posts: 18,570
Bill Jordan was reportedly a fan of the .22Mag and actually considered it to be a reasonable choice for self-defense.

Dave Emary, (Chief ballistics scientist for a major ammo maker with an extensive background in physics and aeronautical engineering and propellant design) commented in passing in a recent article in American Handgunner that he felt the .22Mag should be grouped into the general self-defense suitable calibers including the service pistol class.
__________________
Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association?
JohnKSa is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 02:27 AM   #9
Rainbow Demon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 27, 2012
Posts: 397
The .22 Magnum can make a pretty impressive wound.
When the .22 Magnum came up in a conversation an aquaintance said he had been shot in the leg with a High Standard .22 Deringer by a guy he owed money to and pulled up his pants leg to show us the scars.
The bullet had made a small hole on his calf then passed through the leg bone, and the scar on the front of his leg was the size of a silver dollar and somewhat sunken in, and from the look of it the flesh had been macerated.
They probably had to cut out a lot of torn up muscle and maybe bone splinters.
This was a very large individual, legs like tree trunks as they say. On a average size leg the wound would have much worse.
He had been shot from quite a distance, so far that he at first didn't see that the man had a gun. I suspect the shooter was aiming at his back.
So even from a very short barrel and at a distance the .22 Magnum can maintain a good head of steam.

PS
At one time the U S military field tested a .22 Magnum belt fed machinegun for guarding checkpoints and gates in Vietnam.
From photos these were watercooled and about the size of a 1917 Browning. IIRC rate of fire was over 2,000 RPM.

A double barreled handheld .22 Magnum full auto with integral suppressors was also tested.

The CIA had a number of Walther PPK pistols in .22 LR converted to use a specialized cartridge based on the .22 Magnum.
I don't know the dimensions but I expect the cases were shortened so the cartridge would feed from the standard magazine.
They chose the .22 Mag case because at the time you could order empty primed cases for makingyour own taylored handloads.
They wanted a fairly heavy bullet at a subsonic velocity and wanted to be able to alter bullets for special purposes such as explosive bullets or bullets containing nerve toxins.

Last edited by Rainbow Demon; October 12, 2012 at 02:38 AM.
Rainbow Demon is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 06:15 AM   #10
JT-AR-MG42
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 329
If the 22 magnum is what you want (ammo being higher as you know and all that).

You cannot go wrong with a 48 or 18.
Colt .22 Magnum OMMs are too pricey and hard to find to be realistic and the .22LR Troopers are headed that way as well.
Never owned any of the MKIIIs. They are available in 4, 6, and 8" in both LR and magnum with rising values on them also though.

I have had both two 6" 48s and two 6" 17s over the years that were all great shooters.

6" barrels on a belt holster are just a bit awkward in a rig while out roaming around though.

I currently have a 4" model 48 and and a Model 18 and am hanging on to these. Shooting the old school W-W FMJs or the HPs, the 48 will shoot under 2" groups consistently at 25yds. The 18 will do better with quality SV ammo. I use Wolf and Eley Sport.
It will surprise you how well these guns let you stay in the game shooting DA as well.
Both only hold six in the wheel though. That's good enough for me.

Using multiple speedloaders (I keep six for each gun) to facilitate loading without the fumbling of the rounds makes for more enjoyable shooting with less downtime.

Can't speak to the newer versions, but Smith & Wesson made very nice quality rimfires thru the mid 70s at least.
Lemons are few and far between.

I would think that any quality handgun like a 48 or an 18 being shot and cared for would hold it's value pretty well.



JT
JT-AR-MG42 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 07:02 AM   #11
carguychris
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Posts: 5,666
Quote:
You cannot go wrong with a 48 or 18.
JT-AR-MG42, I find it hard to tell whether you're talking about .22WMR or .22LR from sentence to sentence in your post.

The factory .22WMR / .22Mag Smiths are the Models 51, 351PD, 650, and 651 (J frame), and the Models 48 and 648 (K frame).

The Model 18 was normally 22LR only. If you've seen one in .22WMR, it's not standard production, or it's (more likely) a gunsmith conversion inspired by the relative scarcity of M48s with 4" barrels.

One interesting thing about older .22WMR S&Ws is that the barrels had a non-standard rollmark that read ".22 M.R.F. CTG." for .22 Magnum Rim Fire.
__________________
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak
carguychris is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 07:59 AM   #12
JT-AR-MG42
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 329
I believe the OP mentioned either a 48 or an 18 in addition to his comments on the .22 magnum cartridge.

I assumed the OP knew about the chambering difference when he mentioned the Model 18 as a possibility over the Model 48.

If not, my mistake.

JT
JT-AR-MG42 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 08:24 AM   #13
Rifleman1776
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,309
I think it is an in-between overpriced round. I seldom use in my Ruger Single Six. The shot capsules are good snake killers and I use those occasionally.
I will load the mags in my SS when hiking in the national forest. If stopped I just say I'm squirrle hunting. 22s are legal for tree rats. But, I really carry it for personal defense against dope growers and feral dogs.
Rifleman1776 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 08:41 AM   #14
Brian48
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2001
Location: Boston, People's Republic of MA
Posts: 1,371
I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of the 22wmr, but I do like and respect it. When I first bought my six inch Ruger Single Six, it was because of the inter-changeable nature of going from .22lr to .22wmr whenever I wanted that got me interested. Granted, I don't shoot .22wmr much at all due to the costs, but I like having it there.

About 15 years ago when I was living in CT, I visited my parents in MA. The Ruger was one of the guns I had left my Dad for HD. It was one of the few guns he could fire with his arthritic hands. Anyway, this was the year the state saw record rain and there was serious flooding in the city, with some reports of looting. We had to leave all the doors open in order to allow the hose from the sump pumps to lead out into the drains. I kept that Ruger stoked with 40gr .22wmr JHPs and by my side entire night as I slept and guarded the entrances. Although I wish I had one of my 1911s, the .22wmr filled the role when I needed it too.
__________________
Proud to have served.
Brian48 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 08:50 AM   #15
DAnjet500
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2008
Posts: 128
I, too, am a fan of the .22 magnum. In addition to the Single Sixes, CZ and Savage rifles, I have this little gem. It's a blast to shoot and usually gets attention at the range.

DAnjet500 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 09:03 AM   #16
Pilot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2000
Posts: 3,713
I like the performance edge of .22 Mag, but never shoot it anymore due to cost. I'd rather reload a small centerfire cartridge to get similar or better performance.
__________________
Pilot
Pilot is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 09:07 AM   #17
Brian48
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2001
Location: Boston, People's Republic of MA
Posts: 1,371
Quote:
I, too, am a fan of the .22 magnum. In addition to the Single Sixes, CZ and Savage rifles, I have this little gem. It's a blast to shoot and usually gets attention at the range.
I remember those. The one I fired was very ammo sensitive and wasn't completely reliable, but when it was working, one of the most fun guns you can shoot. It had a real big fireball of a muzzle flash even during the day and always got everyone's attention.
__________________
Proud to have served.
Brian48 is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 09:30 AM   #18
jmortimer
Junior member
 
Join Date: January 24, 2010
Location: South West Riverside County California
Posts: 2,763
It is my favorite caliber in a rifle. In hand guns it works fairly well and with the new Hornady Critical Defense .22 mag, we have a winner. It will perform in ballistic gelatin and presumably/hopefully in the real world. Very impressive purpose built ammunition for .22 mag revolvers. I really want a Ruger Single 9 and a Single 10 for that matter.
jmortimer is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 10:10 AM   #19
DFrame
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 7, 2008
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 451
I don't use it often but have always been impressed with it's performance.
__________________
Mark Lane to William Buckley: "Have you ever referred to Jessee Jackson as an ignoramus?"
Buckley: "If I didn't, I should have"
DFrame is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 10:51 AM   #20
pgdion
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 22, 2010
Location: MPLS, MN
Posts: 1,118
Love the .22 Magnum, it's one of my favorite cartridges. Although I only shoot it in rifles, it's benefits really shine there. I have a bolt action Marlin chambered in it. Makes an awesome rifle. Nice AMT DAnjet ... sure wouldn't mind having one of those someday!
__________________
597 VTR, because there's so many cans and so little time!
pgdion is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 11:40 AM   #21
Joe_Pike
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 30, 2010
Posts: 1,060
Quote:
I believe the OP mentioned either a 48 or an 18 in addition to his comments on the .22 magnum cartridge.

I assumed the OP knew about the chambering difference when he mentioned the Model 18 as a possibility over the Model 48.
I do know the differences. I've just had to revoke my membership to the "Gun-of-the Month Club" so I can really only save for one or the other at this point. I'm just trying to figure out if I want to jump into a .22 magnum or not.
__________________
Stay Groovy
Joe_Pike is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 11:52 AM   #22
Guv
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 24, 2012
Location: South Texas
Posts: 1,088
I have an AutoMag II just like DA500's that was my Dad's. Well over 20 yrs old and very reliable and accurate with Winchester 40gr hp's. Gets your attention when you pull the trigger, awesome muzzelflash.
Guv is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 12:36 PM   #23
Jayhawkhuntclub
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 13, 2007
Posts: 456
It's a neat cartridge. But I can shoot 38s cheaper. So I do.

I could see buying a LCR if it came out in 22 mag for personal defense though. It would be pleasant to shoot in a pocket sized revolver.
Jayhawkhuntclub is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 12:56 PM   #24
Phil-USN
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 30, 2012
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 10
I'm also a lover of the 22 mag, I keep a 22mag revolver in my truck everywhere I go.
Phil-USN is offline  
Old October 12, 2012, 01:24 PM   #25
Obambulate
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 22, 2011
Posts: 340
I also love the .22 Magnum. I have a few NAA revolvers in .22 Mag/LR and use them for CC with Speer Gold Dots.

I would jump on an 8-shot LCR in .22 Mag. I believe it would be more effective in many self defense situations than a 5-shot .38 Special. The extra shots and lack of recoil could prove to be the difference someday.
Obambulate is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.13428 seconds with 7 queries