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Old September 19, 2012, 11:21 PM   #1
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Gun Ranges & Alcoholic Beverages

I attached a link to a story about a new gun range under construction in suburban Atlanta. The range looks to be pretty nice as you can see from the link to their WEB site. The range plans to have a lounge which will serve food and alcoholic beverages. The local city has just approved their alcohol license and I assume things are moving along.

As participants in the shooting sports continue to become more diverse and participation in general is more accepted it appears amenities are improving and expanding. I think many people are looking for a social experience along with their range time.

So, just curious if there are many gun ranges that serve alcohol?


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...l-sales/nSF4x/

http://governorsgunclub.com/
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Old September 19, 2012, 11:58 PM   #2
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So, just curious if there are many gun ranges that serve alcohol?
I don't know how it's legal, doesn't the law prohibit having a firearm in a building that sells alcohol for on-site consumption?

That's my understanding of it, not sure whether it's correct.
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Old September 20, 2012, 06:49 AM   #3
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So, just curious if there are many gun ranges that serve alcohol?
I don't know how it's legal, doesn't the law prohibit having a firearm in a building that sells alcohol for on-site consumption?
Federal law does not, so the question has to be whether state law does. The answer, of course, is "it depends on what state you're in."
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:17 AM   #4
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Now that you mention it, our local gun ranges have club houses with alcohol licenses. I don't go to them as I shoot at my camp, but it does seem to make you wonder. Although, maybe it is designed for after shooting and all guns must be stowed in vehicles?
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:33 AM   #5
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Any "well run" range that serves alcohol will have explicit rules about drinking only after the guns are put away.
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:36 AM   #6
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At the one and only German shooting club where I shot in Germany about 45 years ago, I'm sure they served beer. Beer is served everywhere in Germany and I think there's even home delivery. The shooting was from inside, the targets were outside, though my memory of the place is a little vague. But it was typically Bavarian Jäger-style, with deer antlers and rustic furniture.

The Germans, by the way, have a lower drinking age and a higher driving age. Don't know what their shooting age is, though.
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:47 AM   #7
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When i saw the news this morning as soon as a drink is served, the computer will flag them so they could not shoot for the entire day.
I think this is getting blown out of proportion. After spending 3.5 million +, and paying the super high cost of insurance, I would believe the owners would want to limit liability as best as possible.
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:56 AM   #8
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I've shot at 3 different ranges where alcohol was served. To my knowledge there was never a problem at any of them. The rules were posted, and they were all policed by the members.
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Old September 20, 2012, 08:13 AM   #9
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Personally, I don't have any problem with a range/club that serves beer as long as its served after the shooting is done and guns put away. I will sometimes have a beer or two when I'm cleaning my guns after shooting - not at any range, but at my house.
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Old September 20, 2012, 08:33 AM   #10
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I've never seen one that did. I would never, ever, ever, get near a range that sold booze. Thats not sane.

EDIT: If you can only buy booze after shooting ok, but only if its a strict system. I have to deal with way to many yayhoos as it is with drunk yayhoos waiving guns around.
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Old September 20, 2012, 08:40 AM   #11
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I see no problem at all,,,

I see no problem at all,,,
As long as the drinking is after the shooting.

When I visit my range,,,
A few adult beverages after shooting is almost always the case.

I just make sure I am "transporting" my firearms,,,
As opposed to carrying it concealed.

I would love it if there were an indoor range near me,,,
That had a lounge for an after shooting beverage.

What camaraderie there would be,,,
And the alibis generated after a glass of scotch would be great.

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Old September 20, 2012, 08:47 AM   #12
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I see no problem at all,,,
As long as the drinking is after the shooting.
Pretty much. As long as they keep a tight watch on those who might think popping off a few rounds with a buzz might be a sound idea, I don't see the problem.

Town I went to college in had a laundromat with a bar - laundry day was always a good day
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Old September 20, 2012, 09:14 AM   #13
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We are talking adults, right? We make a big point in the gun community of individual rights and the responsible gun owner. The same mindset should apply to drinking.

In Texas, drinking and concealed carry is treated the same as drinking and driving. You're impaired or you aren't. It's an individual responsibility. It's not the job of the bartender, or some gun club nanny with a "strict system," to police adult shooters.

The only specific proscription in Texas regarding drinking establishments is you can't concealed carry in actual "bars," i.e., establishments that derive 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales. So a business serving alcohol co-located with a shooting range might have to meet that criterion to be viable, namely sell more food than booze. But as far as just shooting and drinking without CC, it's a pure individual responsibility.
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Old September 20, 2012, 09:22 AM   #14
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I don't know how it's legal, doesn't the law prohibit having a firearm in a building that sells alcohol for on-site consumption?
In Georgia, it's legal to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, so long as 51% of its income is from food.

Carry in bars is legal with the explicit permission of the owner.
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Old September 20, 2012, 10:12 AM   #15
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We are talking adults, right? We make a big point in the gun community of individual rights and the responsible gun owner. The same mindset should apply to drinking.

In Texas, drinking and concealed carry is treated the same as drinking and driving. You're impaired or you aren't. It's an individual responsibility. It's not the job of the bartender, or some gun club nanny with a "strict system," to police adult shooters.

The only specific proscription in Texas regarding drinking establishments is you can't concealed carry in actual "bars," i.e., establishments that derive 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales. So a business serving alcohol co-located with a shooting range might have to meet that criterion to be viable, namely sell more food than booze. But as far as just shooting and drinking without CC, it's a pure individual responsibility.
Are we talking adults?
1. If its a private club, or just your friends thats one thing. A public range - no way. Judging by the high yayhoo count I've dealt with in the past - I wouldn't trust the range or so called personal responsibility for spit.
2. The legal limit on drinking with a CC in Texas is actually "impaired" and that has not been tested by a court. Most instructors will tell you don't drink and CC. Frankly I'd trust a CC ten times more than the average shooter I see at the public range.

Your mileage may vary. I shoot mostly at public ranges. While convenient the yayhoo factor can be high. If we're talking my local shooting club, that would be a different story. I know them.

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Old September 20, 2012, 10:18 AM   #16
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In the land of cheddar, where I do my shooting, the bar's open whenever the club house is.

Hey, this is WISCONSIN we're talkin' about.
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Old September 20, 2012, 11:51 AM   #17
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At the private range where I'm an RO the club doesn't provide alcohol. It has no problem with people consuming alcohol at private parties upon the property as long as all shooting activities are completed and firearms are stowed away properly.

Alcohol and shooting really don't go together. However, privately I suspect a lot of people here have had occasion to meet with friends at a favorite shooting range "up in the hills" or wherever, with a couple of six packs of beer and a couple of "bricks" of .22 for a fun afternoon.
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Old September 20, 2012, 12:55 PM   #18
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In Georgia, it's legal to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, so long as 51% of its income is from food.

Carry in bars is legal with the explicit permission of the owner.

Please tell me Taco Mac serves more food than beer....
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Old September 20, 2012, 01:08 PM   #19
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The place looks nice, too bad it doesnt have rifle range distances since its indoors. Ive always wanted a golf country club style gun range that serves good food. I like the locker idea as well. the initial fee is what gets you, the 800/year meh, thats a lil steep but like i said if it had an outdoor rifle range as well i could see that being alright. currently the only range we have here goes out to 200 yards, been around for decades, 120 or so a year w/ a 120 first time activation fee. very cheap and nice, run by "older people" and have a rep for being a bit up tight.

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http://www.mszu.de/ the site is of course in german, but you dont have to speak german to drool. this has been posted on here before.
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Old September 20, 2012, 01:23 PM   #20
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Mine sells beer, pop, coffee, and bagged snacks and as a social area with tables and chairs and a fireplace. Pretty nice setup, feels very homey.
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Old September 20, 2012, 01:43 PM   #21
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Here in Pa there are many gun clubs that have full service bars(beer, wine and liquor), If you drink and then shoot you are banned for life at the club I belong to now. I'm not sure of the rules at the other one I used to belong to, but I'm sure it was the same. This includes the archery range. A lot of the members that drink there on a regular basis do not shoot much and would not want to screw up their access to cheap drinks. The members police themselves.
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Old September 20, 2012, 01:52 PM   #22
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One of the trap ranges my daughter shot at had "meat shoots" on Sundays .... and part of the deal to allow the trap team to utilize the facility for practices was that they needed to staff the kitchen of the snack bar ..... I'm sorry to say there was more beer cracked there than clays..... we dropped trap, which is a shame, because she was pretty good for a sixth grader......
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Old September 20, 2012, 04:19 PM   #23
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In Oregon, they had a nice indoor range with a Starbucks like coffee bar. But that was years ago and I think it went belly up.
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Old September 20, 2012, 07:02 PM   #24
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I see no problem with alcohol on the range as long as it is reserved after the shooting is finished. As you say you get flagged so no more shooting.
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