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Old September 15, 2012, 06:06 PM   #26
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4runnerman, since I started this thread, I have found out some valuable info on this cartridge. First of all, there were lots of guns made in this caliber for many years. There are still lots of rifles in use chambered for it, and it is a well engineered cartridge. Maybe more so than the 223. Oblolete cartridges like the Weatherby 224 were only chambered for the 224 by Weatherby. The 222 magnum had a short life, and therefore not near as many rifles are chambered for this obsolete round. The 32 special is an other good example of a cartridge that has a lot of guns chambered for it. I don't believe there has been any rifles chambered for the 32 since pre 64, but there are two companies that still produce it. Also, I found 3 local gun shops that have 222 in stock where I live, but I will reload it I manage to buy the rifle.
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Old September 15, 2012, 07:28 PM   #27
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That's great guy. I know it is one sweet ,fast accurate shooting sun of a gun.
Good Luck i know you will be happy
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Old September 16, 2012, 09:12 PM   #28
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Who in the 1950's would have ever guessed that in 2012, this cartridge along with the .220 Swift would be "obsolete" but the .45-70. .22 Hornet, and .45Colt would make big comebacks.

You just never know.
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Old September 16, 2012, 09:14 PM   #29
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The 222 and the 220 swift are not obsolete.
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Old October 29, 2012, 11:11 AM   #30
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I just bought a near mint 788 in 222 at a pawn shop.
Went to the sports shop and picked up a couple boxes Hornady 40gr Vmax since i didn't have any components to start reloading.
Fun gun

Now I think back to that new Sako heavy barreled 222 I passed up in HS cause I was into 22-250's.
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Old October 29, 2012, 11:20 AM   #31
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semtav, I have purchased one also, and it is mint. I shot dime sized groups with it 50 gr bullets, and I am not about to let it go.
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Old October 29, 2012, 11:28 AM   #32
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222Rem

My first center fire rifle...a Remington 600 which now has a 22-inch barrel installed.
As the others have said, a naturally accurate cartridge. Hold on to it and if you don't reload, start.
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Old October 29, 2012, 11:45 AM   #33
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I am a big 223 fan, but it seems to be a bit more "stable" than the 223. I started with a clean dry barrel, and the POI was the same after fouling the barrel.
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Old October 29, 2012, 02:12 PM   #34
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Just went and tested a few 4198 loads with a 50 gr Sierra.
shooting prone over a box. (not the steadiest) 3 shot grp
19 gr 3/8 "
19.5 gr two in the same hole and pulled the 3rd shot an inch right
20 gr 7/8 "

haven't cleaned the gun since before I shot up a box of Hornady 40 gr V maxes Saturday
can't beat that for an off the shelf Pawn gun !!!
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Old October 29, 2012, 03:20 PM   #35
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Obviously not obsolete. Shooting Times features it this month
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Old October 29, 2012, 03:35 PM   #36
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I see less of them every year on the range...but there are still many guys who use it.
i think its going to be rare but not obsolete.
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Old October 29, 2012, 03:41 PM   #37
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Quote:
19 gr 3/8 "
19.5 gr two in the same hole and pulled the 3rd shot an inch right
20 gr 7/8 "
Which primer did you use?
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Old October 29, 2012, 04:31 PM   #38
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Old October 29, 2012, 04:55 PM   #39
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According to my reloading manual at 19.5 gr 4198 you are getting about 2950 fps. I'll take the tight group.
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Old October 29, 2012, 06:25 PM   #40
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semtav, I have purchased one also, and it is mint. I shot dime sized groups with it 50 gr bullets, and I am not about to let it go.

What kind of loads were you you using?

I'm about out of my old 224 cal bullets and have to get more.
I just had a partial box of Sierra 50 gr and Speer 55 gr spitzers.
Besides my case of BR-4s, I also have a case of Federal 205 primers but haven't seen anyone mention them for accurate loads

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Old October 31, 2012, 08:06 PM   #41
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I have a soft spot for "obsolete" guns and rounds. I cannot comment on the 222 round.

I can and will comment on the Rem 722. I chose it as the platform for my long range Varmint rifle In 1975.

I Still shoot my 257 Roberts after some 40 years.

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Old October 31, 2012, 08:26 PM   #42
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257 Roberts shares the same kind of fate the 222 has. Forgotten by many, but a great round.
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Old October 31, 2012, 09:34 PM   #43
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Remington still loads .222, so technically no, it is not obsolete.
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Old October 31, 2012, 10:01 PM   #44
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itc444 wrote:
I have a soft spot for "obsolete" guns and rounds. I cannot comment on the 222 round

I must too. bought a 222 Rem and 257 Roberts the last couple weeks.
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Old November 1, 2012, 12:32 AM   #45
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All the major ammunition companies still make ammo for it, Hornady even have 222 Remington superperformance (or whatever it's called) ammo I saw it in my LGS last weekl.
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Old November 1, 2012, 06:31 AM   #46
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I heard that someone is even offering rifles in .222 again. Maybe it will be rediscovered and regain popularity like the .45-70 and .22 Hornet did.

There are some ammo companies that still sell .32-40 ammo so I guess it isn't technically obsolete either.
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Old November 1, 2012, 08:23 AM   #47
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Ammunition obsolescence is a squirrley concept when it comes to firearms.

I look at it as being a two stage process...

1. Makers quite making guns chambered in the round.

2. The big ammo makers stop providing loaded ammunition.

Many rounds are going into and out of obsolescence all the time as interests and tastes change.

Cowboy Action Shooting and the other "old west style" games like blackpowder cartridge rifle silhouette are probably responsible for the resurrection of more obsolete rounds than any other activity.

A couple good examples of rounds that fit in category 1 above are the .250 Savage and the .300 Savage.

Both were exceptionally popular in their day, and remain so, but have been overtaken by other rounds such as the .257 Roberts and the .308 Winchester. Every once in awhile someone will make a run of rifles for one or the other, and both still sell a lot of ammo, but they are slowly churning to a stop.

I figure in another 15 to 20 years, though, someone is going to "rediscover" just what an incredibly well balanced round the .250 is and it will stage a nice comeback.

I love my .300 Savages, but if I were choosing a single cartridge for eastern hunting, varmints all the way to black bear, I'd seriously consider the .250 in a bolt action.
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Old November 3, 2012, 10:43 PM   #48
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Probably won't go much more obsolete than it already has. Right now you pretty much need to reload in order to shoot it much at all.
I bought one and then sold it b/c of ammo issues and having a 223 anyways.

Are you buying a bench gun? If you are I think there are better rounds for bench guns now.

Only has nostalgic value.
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Old November 4, 2012, 02:46 AM   #49
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Well, most real gun shops have a supply of 222. I see 32 special on the shelf and they have been relegated longer.
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Old November 4, 2012, 10:56 AM   #50
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Been in several hardware stores lately and all had 222 Rem on the shelf.
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