Man with no name-conversion

Hardy · September 12, 2012, 09:14 PM

just want some input on this gun. A 51 navy conversion with sterling silver snake inlay by cimerrron. Looks great--you think it's a good investment for $841.00? Anyone got one?
WBH

chaz12 · September 13, 2012, 11:46 AM

I have never seen one in person, but I notice that Cheaper than Dirt has the same pistol by Cimarron without the snake emblem grips for 460 dollars. They still call it the 'man with no name' revolver. Plus you never know with Cheaper than Dirt...I am assuming no snake emblem because the picture doesn't show one. But their pictures are not always accurate.

I'm not sure I would want a model pistol though where there's no way to eject the cylinder cases from the chambers. I would personally just get a standard open top or conversion that has an ejector rod.

Chaz

Fingers McGee · September 13, 2012, 11:47 AM

I've got a pair of them that I bought a couple/three years ago. I opted fr the ones without the snakes - couldn't see the almost $200 increase in price for them.

One was perfect out of the box only getting some minor smoothing and polishing of the internals. The other had timing problems and ended up getting a new hand (the original one looked like it had been made from scrap iron and couldn't be saved) before it's action equaled the first one's.

Both guns work great and are a hoot to shoot with BP cartridge. I've shot them in a number of SASS matches.

Added info:

Using BP and a 125 or 140 grain bullet, the cases fall out of the cylinder after firing. I rarely have to use the split loading lever to punch out a case. Liberally lubing the arbor with bore butter and the gas ring on the cylinder prevents fouling on the arbor and locking the cylinder. I have shot a 14 stage CAS match over 3 days without having to relube the arbor. The cylinder spun just as easily on day three as it did on day one.

Bishop Creek · September 13, 2012, 12:00 PM

I have one made by American Frontier Firearms in the late '90s. I eject the cases with a 19th Century skeleton key filed down to fit in the cylinder.

Hardy · September 13, 2012, 06:07 PM

Thanks--didn't buy it but looks great in the ad in the ":guns of the old west. I think if I bought one I'd have to have the snake

I always liked those old navy conversions but never had one.
WBH

Roshi · September 17, 2012, 08:55 PM

Per the Cimarron price sheet the version with the snakes has been discontinued. Nice looking but awfully expensive.

arcticap · September 17, 2012, 11:48 PM

This outfit makes an exact sterling silver copy of the snake inlay from the Clint Eastwood movie "The Man With No Name".

Silverwork page:

http://www.outlawgrips.com/index_files/Page493.htm

Quote:

This is an exact replica of the snake that Clint Eastwood had on his gun as “The Man With No Name.” Solid Sterling Silver. Left or right side. $140 on top, $165 inlaid. Grips not included.

Home page (click on "silverwork" at the bottom of the page):

http://www.outlawgrips.com/index.htm

jlb43 · October 14, 2012, 11:44 AM

I just order a MWNN from Buffalo Arms to go with my Richards Mason. I was hoping to dress them up a bit with some nice grips. I understand these guns are built on 1851 platforms but I have noticed that some of the grips for the 1851 are one piece and some are two piece. Can anyone help me sort this out and maybe tell me what grips I should be looking at? I will not send the gun or frame to anyone for fitting so was hoping to find something I can install at home.

Thanks

chaz12 · October 14, 2012, 06:02 PM

All colt 1851 navy frames and standard conversions that I have know of have one piece grips which make them fairly difficult to fit by yourself. If you were to buy any one piece grip online, you will receive three pieces: two grip side panels and a center block that must be glued between the panels to make the one piece grip assembly. The side panels must be shaped to fit your frame and have the correct profile and curvature from front to back. The center block has to be trimmed to fit within your frame and not interfere with the mainspring. The gluing has to be done while keeping the side panels lined up properly.

I think a lot of people have done their own fitting successfully, but it sounds like more than I would want to try.

It would be technically possible to mount two piece grips to your conversion pistol; Ruger vaqueros for instance come with two piece grips I think. If you got two piece grips, you would receive two side panels with a screw to hold them in place. You would need to consult with the grip maker to make sure your grip panels would be able to be fitted to your frame. You would also need to tell the grip maker exactly where to locate the screw, since it's not a grip that ordinarily takes a screw The two piece grips would just not be historically accurate for a conversion pistol. Since the Eastwood conversion is a fictional piece anyway, that might not be such disadvantage though.

Chaz

Hawg Haggen · October 14, 2012, 07:14 PM

To use two piece grips you'd also have to drill and install a locator pin in the frame and drill mating holes in the grips.

arcticap · October 16, 2012, 04:36 PM

Quote:

I will not send the gun or frame to anyone for fitting so was hoping to find something I can install at home.

The cost of the Outlaw grips that I posted about in post #7 above include having the silver work either affixed on top of or inlaid into your own grips.
Thus it would seem that only the original grips would need to be sent in to have the work completed.

Iron Man · October 16, 2012, 04:51 PM

I ordered one and the loading gate screw was bad. It was sent back and I am getting another one on the 27th of this month. This was a known problem and Cimarron will send you a larger loading gate screw as part of the issue resolution.

I bought a set of the snakes on ebay and will install them myself. They are inexpensive but very well made.

Man with No Name Snakes

I bought mine from Sherwood's Guns in Bowling Green, Kentucky. He had the best price on the pistol compared to any other place in the country.

hoof hearted · October 22, 2012, 12:30 AM

Neat pistol but I'd shop around a bit on the price............

By the way the "Man with No Name" is actually an 1871/72 Open Top frame not an 1851 Conversion (no conversion plate).

Regards, HH

jlb43 · October 23, 2012, 02:49 PM

Did the 1871 Open Top have a loading lever?

hoof hearted · October 23, 2012, 03:33 PM

"open top frame"..............

The barrel is not part of the frame

HH

jlb43 · October 24, 2012, 02:20 AM

oops! I didn't notice the word frame.

September 12, 2012, 09:14 PM	#1
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 626	Man with no name-conversion just want some input on this gun. A 51 navy conversion with sterling silver snake inlay by cimerrron. Looks great--you think it's a good investment for $841.00? Anyone got one? WBH

September 13, 2012, 11:47 AM	#3
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,714	I've got a pair of them that I bought a couple/three years ago. I opted fr the ones without the snakes - couldn't see the almost $200 increase in price for them. One was perfect out of the box only getting some minor smoothing and polishing of the internals. The other had timing problems and ended up getting a new hand (the original one looked like it had been made from scrap iron and couldn't be saved) before it's action equaled the first one's. Both guns work great and are a hoot to shoot with BP cartridge. I've shot them in a number of SASS matches. Added info: Using BP and a 125 or 140 grain bullet, the cases fall out of the cylinder after firing. I rarely have to use the split loading lever to punch out a case. Liberally lubing the arbor with bore butter and the gas ring on the cylinder prevents fouling on the arbor and locking the cylinder. I have shot a 14 stage CAS match over 3 days without having to relube the arbor. The cylinder spun just as easily on day three as it did on day one. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce Last edited by Fingers McGee; September 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM.

September 17, 2012, 08:55 PM	#6
Roshi Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 151	Snake version discontinued Per the Cimarron price sheet the version with the snakes has been discontinued. Nice looking but awfully expensive.

October 14, 2012, 11:44 AM	#8
jlb43 Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 111	I just order a MWNN from Buffalo Arms to go with my Richards Mason. I was hoping to dress them up a bit with some nice grips. I understand these guns are built on 1851 platforms but I have noticed that some of the grips for the 1851 are one piece and some are two piece. Can anyone help me sort this out and maybe tell me what grips I should be looking at? I will not send the gun or frame to anyone for fitting so was hoping to find something I can install at home. Thanks __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson . --

October 14, 2012, 07:14 PM	#10
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,225	To use two piece grips you'd also have to drill and install a locator pin in the frame and drill mating holes in the grips. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

September 13, 2012, 11:46 AM	#2
chaz12 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2008 Posts: 174	I have never seen one in person, but I notice that Cheaper than Dirt has the same pistol by Cimarron without the snake emblem grips for 460 dollars. They still call it the 'man with no name' revolver. Plus you never know with Cheaper than Dirt...I am assuming no snake emblem because the picture doesn't show one. But their pictures are not always accurate. I'm not sure I would want a model pistol though where there's no way to eject the cylinder cases from the chambers. I would personally just get a standard open top or conversion that has an ejector rod. Chaz

September 13, 2012, 12:00 PM	#4
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 195	I have one made by American Frontier Firearms in the late '90s. I eject the cases with a 19th Century skeleton key filed down to fit in the cylinder.

September 13, 2012, 06:07 PM	#5
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 626	Thanks--didn't buy it but looks great in the ad in the ":guns of the old west. I think if I bought one I'd have to have the snake I always liked those old navy conversions but never had one. WBH

October 14, 2012, 06:02 PM	#9
chaz12 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2008 Posts: 174	All colt 1851 navy frames and standard conversions that I have know of have one piece grips which make them fairly difficult to fit by yourself. If you were to buy any one piece grip online, you will receive three pieces: two grip side panels and a center block that must be glued between the panels to make the one piece grip assembly. The side panels must be shaped to fit your frame and have the correct profile and curvature from front to back. The center block has to be trimmed to fit within your frame and not interfere with the mainspring. The gluing has to be done while keeping the side panels lined up properly. I think a lot of people have done their own fitting successfully, but it sounds like more than I would want to try. It would be technically possible to mount two piece grips to your conversion pistol; Ruger vaqueros for instance come with two piece grips I think. If you got two piece grips, you would receive two side panels with a screw to hold them in place. You would need to consult with the grip maker to make sure your grip panels would be able to be fitted to your frame. You would also need to tell the grip maker exactly where to locate the screw, since it's not a grip that ordinarily takes a screw The two piece grips would just not be historically accurate for a conversion pistol. Since the Eastwood conversion is a fictional piece anyway, that might not be such disadvantage though. Chaz

October 16, 2012, 04:51 PM	#12
Iron Man Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 337	I ordered one and the loading gate screw was bad. It was sent back and I am getting another one on the 27th of this month. This was a known problem and Cimarron will send you a larger loading gate screw as part of the issue resolution. I bought a set of the snakes on ebay and will install them myself. They are inexpensive but very well made. Man with No Name Snakes I bought mine from Sherwood's Guns in Bowling Green, Kentucky. He had the best price on the pistol compared to any other place in the country.

October 22, 2012, 12:30 AM	#13
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 49	Neat pistol but I'd shop around a bit on the price............ By the way the "Man with No Name" is actually an 1871/72 Open Top frame not an 1851 Conversion (no conversion plate). Regards, HH __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com

October 23, 2012, 02:49 PM	#14
jlb43 Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 111	Did the 1871 Open Top have a loading lever? __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson . --

October 23, 2012, 03:33 PM	#15
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 49	"open top frame".............. The barrel is not part of the frame HH __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com

October 24, 2012, 02:20 AM	#16
jlb43 Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 111	oops! I didn't notice the word frame. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson . --