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Old February 1, 2012, 04:27 PM   #1
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Rimfire/Centerfire Pairs List - Revisited,,,

In a recent thread we were listing the different manufacturers/marketers of 1911 pistols in .22 LR,,,

I updated the list of Rimfire/Centerfire pairs I try to maintain,,,
It's been a while so I thought I would post the list again,,,
Maybe there are some new (or old) ones you can add.


These are the pairs I know of:

Astra: Constable in .380 ACP & Constable in .22 LR.

Beretta: Cheetah (84, 85, 86 series) in .380 & Cheetah 87 in .22LR. (I own the 85/87 pair).

Beretta: Model 70 in .32 & Model 71 in .22 LR.

Beretta: Bobcat in .25 ACP/.32 ACP & Bobcat in .22 LR.

Bersa: Thunder .380 & Thunder .22 LR. (I own this pair).

Bersa: Firestorm .380 & Firestorm .22 LR.

Charter Arms: Undercover in .38 Special & Pathfinder in .22 LR (A lady friend owns/loves them both).

Colt: S.A.A. & Colt S.A.A. .22 (same full size frame 1st. gen.)

Colt: S.A.A. & Colt Peacemaker .22

Colt: New Frontier & Colt New Frontier .22

Colt: Bisley & Colt Bisley .22 (Never a factory offering..but popular conversion in 20's thru 50's)

Colt: Trooper Mk III in .357 Mag & Trooper Mk III in .22LR. (I own this pair).

Colt: Diamondback in .38 Special & Diamondback in .22 LR.

Colt: Officers Model Match in .38 Special & Officers Model Match in .22 LR.

Colt: 1911 in .45ACP & 1911 Ace in .22 LR.

Colt-ish:
• Chiappa = made by Chiappa
• Puma = made by Chiappa
• Bersa American Classic 22 = made by Chiappa
• GSG = made by GSG
• Sig = made by GSG
• Colt = made by Walther/Umarex
• Browning = made by Browning (not full size)
CZ: CZ-75B in 9mm & CZ-75B Kadet in .22LR. (I own this pair and the Kadet rocks!).

Daewoo: Model DH380 in .380acp and the Model DP52 in .22 LR.

EAA: Witness Combo 9mm/.22 LR. Sold with both a 9mm and a .22 LR upper.

EAA: Witness Combo .45/.22 LR. Sold with both a .45 and a .22 LR upper.

Erma: Erma ESP 85A in .32 S&W & Erma ESP 85A in .22 LR.

Hammerli: Hammerli 280 in .32 S&W Long WC & Hammerli 280 in .22 LR (Funky looking target pistol).

Hammerli: Hammerli P240 in .38 WC/.32 & Hammerli P240 in .22 LR.

Heckler & Koch: HK4 in .380/.32/.25 & HK4 in .22LR (First pistol produced by H&K).

Korth: Sport or Combat in .357 Magnum & Sport or Combat in .22 LR.

Manhurin: Manhurin MR 73 in .357/.38/9mm/.332 S&W Long & Manhurin MR 73 in .22LR (standard issue with France's elite police and military Special Weapons and Tactics teams).

Ruger: Single-Six in .32 H&R Magnum & Single-Six in .22 LR.

Ruger: SP-101 in .38/.357 & SP-101 in .22LR,,,
This is the old style with full lug barrels and non-adjustable sights

Ruger: SP-101 in .38/.357 & SP-101 in .22LR,,,
This is the new style with fiber optic front and adjustable rear sight.
The one difference between the two is the half lug barrel on the .22 version.

Ruger: LCR-38/357 & LCR-22

Sig: SIG P220 in .45 & P220 Classic 22 in .22 LR.

Sig: SIG P226 in .357 Sig /.40S&W & P226 Classic 22 in .22LR (Ask Microgunner for a review).

Sig: SIG P229 in 9mm/.357 Sig/.40 S&W & P229 Classic 22 in .22 LR.

There is an interesting thing about these .22 Sigs,,,
Sig sells the SIG SAUER X-CHANGE Kit™ conversion kit for all three of the Classic 22's,,,
That kit converts the .22 pistol up to shoot the appropriate centerfire cartridges.

Star: Model H or HN in 380ACP & Model HF or HK in 22LR.

S&W: Model 36 in .38 Special & Model 34 in .22LR. (I own this pair).

S&W: Model 16-4 in .32 H&R Magnum & Model 617 in .22 LR.
(The 16-4 is the only version that has a full-lug barrel to exactly match the 617.)

S&W: Model 15 in .38 Special & Model 18 in .22LR. (I own this pair).

S&W: Model 14 in .38 Special & Model 17 in .22LR.

S&W: Model 10 in .38 Special & Model 45 in .22LR. (very rare and I want one)

S&W: Model 60 in .38 Special and Model 63 in .22 LR.

S&W: Model 442 in .38 Special & Model 43 C in .22 LR.

S&W: Model 681 in .357 Mag & Model 617 in .22 LR.

S&W: M&P (9mm, .357 Auto, .40, & .45) / M&P .22.

Taurus: Model 25--- in .25 ACP & PT22 in 22 LR.

Taurus: PLY in .25 ACP & PLY in .22 LR. (I own this pair).

Walther: P1 in 9mm/.30 Luger & P1 in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PP in .380 & Walther PP in .22LR (.22 LR version is no longer made).

Walther: Walther GSP in .32 S&W Long WC & Walther GSP in .22LR.

Walther: Walther TPH in .25 ACP & Walther TPH in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK in .380 & Walther PPK in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK/L in .380 & Walther PPK/L in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK/S in .380 & Walther PPK/S in .22 LR.

Conversion kits,,,

Beretta: Beretta 92 in 9mm & Beretta 92 Series .22 LR Practice Kit.

1911: Advantage Arms (advantagearms.com).

1911: Marvel Conversion Kit (www.marvelprecision.com).

1911: Kimber .22 conversion kit. http://store.kimberamerica.com

Glock: Advantage Arms (advantagearms.com).

Tactical Solutions .22 conversion kit for the Glock 17/22

Ciener: 22 Conversion Kits for 1911, Beretta/Taurus, Browning Hi-Power, and Glock. www.22lrconversions.com

Twisted Industries: 22lr conversion for the Kel Tec 9mm PF9 and P11.

Conversions,,,

Webley MKV1....conversion cyl & brl. .22

If you can identify any more I'll be happy to add them to the list.

Aarond

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Old February 2, 2012, 01:33 AM   #2
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Wow, great list Aarond. Thanks for all the effort you put in it, (BUT) now I see I need to add some to my collection!! LOL
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Old February 2, 2012, 02:07 AM   #3
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Hello, Aarond. Looks like you spent some time researching! Here's some more: Colt S.A.A... Colt S.A.A. .22 (same full size frame 1st. gen.)
Colt S.A.A. ...Colt Peacemaker .22
Colt New Frontier...Colt New Frontier .22
Colt Bisley..... Colt Bisley .22 (Never a factory offering..but popular conversion in 20's thru 50's)
Webley MKV1....conversion cyl & brl. .22
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Old February 2, 2012, 02:29 AM   #4
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There is actually a new SP-101 version in .357 that matches the new .22 model. with the adj sights, I've held it.
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Old February 2, 2012, 06:06 AM   #5
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Tactical Solutions also makes a .22 conversion for the glock 17/22.
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Old February 2, 2012, 08:34 AM   #6
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Smith & Wesson did or does produce the Model 317 which is an 8-shot Airweight .22LR revolver. Not being up on the snubbies and such, I'm not sure which S&W is the similar center fire, but I'm sure someone knows!

You could also make a case for the Taurus Model 94 revolver with one of their center fires, but again the model number of those escape me.

Dan Wesson also made a a rimfire revolver that would likely cross with their center fire wheelguns.
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Old February 2, 2012, 09:01 AM   #7
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Thanks Venom1956,,,

I looked on the website and the one you mentioned is now pictured there.

I added it with notations to the list.

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Old February 2, 2012, 09:26 AM   #8
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Would you consider the Walther PK-380 and P22? Maybe not exactly the same, but awfully close. Both have the same complicated safety setup and look quite similar.
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Old February 2, 2012, 10:49 AM   #9
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Hello Sevens,,,

I'm doing a bit of research on what might match that S&W Model 317,,,
If I (or anyone else) can identify an exact match I'll happily add it to the list.

As for the Walthers you mentioned,,,
I always intended for this list to be exact matches,,,
Not for any reason but that I seem to have a passion for exact pairs.

Bearing in mind that "exact" is never exactly exact,,,

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Hello vostracker,,,

Quote:
(BUT) now I see I need to add some to my collection!! LOL
Always happy to be an enabler for the addiction.

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Old February 2, 2012, 11:49 PM   #11
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Thank you much for the list. I have had an interest in these and it is great to see the matchings. I am subscribing and bookmarking this!
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Old February 3, 2012, 12:53 AM   #12
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Great list but don't forget:

Ruger Single Six/ Blackhawk & Vaquero

Single six comes in fixed or adjustable sights to match to blackhawk or vaquero

Beretta Bobcat .22lr, 25acp and 32acp
Taurus PT22 22lr, 25acp, adn 32acp


Also Twisted industries makes a 22lr conversion for the Kel Tec 9mm PF9 and P11
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Old February 3, 2012, 08:59 AM   #13
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Thanks TennJed,,,

How could I have overlooked the little Taurii and the Berettas?,,,
I must have had a brain fade or a senior moment.

Now about those Rugers.

I was under the impression that the Single-Six and the Blackhawk have different frame sizes,,,
That's why I didn't initially include them in my list.

Was I mistaken?
You Ruger experts help me out here please.

Those Twisted Industries conversion kits look slick,,,
Do you have any personal experience you could share with the forum folk?

I have a friend who has a PF-9,,,
I'll bet he would be interested in this kit.

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Old February 3, 2012, 10:45 AM   #14
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I was under the impression that the Single-Six and the Blackhawk have different frame sizes,,,
That's why I didn't initially include them in my list.
Indeed they do, and by your criteria, wouldn't make your list.
However... the good news is that Ruger has made Single Six revolvers in .32 H&R Magnum-- so you could enter those in to your list.
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Old February 3, 2012, 11:04 AM   #15
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Hello Sevens,,,

That only took one Google search to verify,,,
Who woulda thunk it.

On the list it goes.

Thanks my friend,,,

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Old February 3, 2012, 11:12 AM   #16
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You missed one in the S&W category, I own this combo

S&W Model 17-6



S&W Model 16-4 (.32 H&R Mag)

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Old February 3, 2012, 11:31 AM   #17
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Thanks glenncal1,,,

That's a very nice looking pair my friend,,,
I was unaware of anything that exactly matched the 617.

Every time I post this,,,
People find more that I can list.

Thanks my friend.

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I was not thinking about the frame size being different on the single six. You are correct
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Great list....this should be pinned to the top.....

On the Blackhawk/Vaqueros/Single Six issue.....with the new medium-size frame on the BH & VQ, the difference b/t it and the SS frame is virtually imperceptable. I think it should be close enough for gov't work.....
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Old February 3, 2012, 01:12 PM   #20
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Funny thing about the 17-6 is that it was a transitional year... many (most?) of the dash-6 revolvers are full lug, like the one pictured. The early 17-6 revolvers are no lug, like the one I own... which looks like all the K-22's we all know and love.

The 16-4 was the only dash number of the 16's that was full lug, I believe. Poster Hammer It likely knows that better than most on this forum, he's got a phenomenally gorgeous handful of original, pristine S&W revolvers, mostly K-frames, I think.
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Hello again Sevens,,,

Thanks for adding the info on the -4 and the full lug,,,
I added that little caveat to the listing.

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Nice work Aarond...very comprehensive. Rod
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Old February 6, 2012, 09:25 AM   #23
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Hello rodfac,,,

I would like to take full credit,,,
But in reality I only started the list.

Many good folk from here have researched and added to it,,,
Now, I'm only the maintenance man for the list.

I repost it on the board every 3-4 months,,,
Someone always comes up with another pair or two to add.

It's a community effort.

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Sevens is correct- there were some 17-6's that were not full lug but the do have the "bull" barrel like the 17-5 that I own (this applies to 4" versions). The 16-4 were the only k frame .32's with the full lug. Previous Model 16's (and pre 16s) were of the regular Masterpiece configuration. There are some known examples of 4" K-32's, very rare, very $$$$$. Would love to have one.
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