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Old October 18, 2012, 06:02 PM   #1
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Identifying enfield

Need some help identifying and putting a value on this rifle please.







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Old October 18, 2012, 06:08 PM   #2
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I believe those markings indicate the rifle received a "factory thorough repair" (FTR) at ROF Fazakerley (F), can't help beyond that. Usually the year of the repair is stamped too, I think.
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:39 PM   #3
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What would you pay for this?
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:50 PM   #4
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It would probably fetch a lot more where I am than where you are mate (assuming you are in N America), expensive in the UK these days.

I wouldn't think those pictures offer enough detail for someone qualified to offer a price, need to inspect the bore, headspacing etc . . . however I really wouldn't be qualified to put a price on it even if it was sitting in front of me.

There is plenty of knowledge about Enfields on here, hopefully someone else who knows more will chime in.
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Old October 18, 2012, 08:01 PM   #5
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I'm not looking for a 100% accurate price, but more so is it a 200-300 rifle or a 700+

Buying from a family member so I don't want to rip him off.

From my googling it looks like anywhere from 150-300...but some models go for a lot more.
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Old October 18, 2012, 08:45 PM   #6
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I bought FTR's for $100 back in the 80's. A WW2 action, FTR, factory through repair (F), Fazakerley. Your rifle should have a new barrel, I see it has the post war rear, probably a nice finish, but it is a rebuild and not rare.
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Old October 18, 2012, 09:00 PM   #7
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Fair enough, thank you!
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Old October 19, 2012, 06:26 PM   #8
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I would search Gunbroker for completed auctions, look for ones that actually sold to get a reasonable market price.

I would think that would be a ~$250 rifle. Probably a pretty good shooter.
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Old October 20, 2012, 07:05 AM   #9
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The base model is a late 1942 to early 1943 Long Branch No4 MkI* (*=wartime expedient bolt release)

The /53 No4 MkI/3 (F) FTR means in 1953 it was converted to the MkII trigger style and received a complete rebuild at the Fazakerely facility.

The MkI when converted is changed to a MkI/2

The MkI* is changed to a MkI/3


These LB 1/3's are relatively rare and $300 would be a fair price. I have seen them go for over $500.

I have a almost identical LB with the 53 1/3 FTR. This LB has had every part except the receiver replaced at FTR, bolt, barrel and all furniture.

Only the Savage and Long Branch No4's can be a MkI/3. These are less than 5% of the No4's on the market.

Someone has unloaded a small number of these 1953 FTR's I have seen more of these in the past 10-12 months than the previous 10 years.

I have a collection of about forty No4's and only one is a LB 1/3, still seeking a Savage 1/3.


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Old October 20, 2012, 07:30 AM   #10
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I've been told by a collector of British rifles that FTR stands for Factory Thorough Refit. Basically it's what we would call an arsenal rebuild in which a used gun is reconditioned to almost as new status.

Prices on British rifles have been creeping up quite a bit the last few years (same with most guns) and, as always, are HIGHLY regional.

In Northern Virginia I'd expect to see that rifle priced between $400 and $600 on the table of a dealer who knows exactly what he has.
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Old October 20, 2012, 09:05 AM   #11
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The /53 No4 MkI/3 (F) FTR means in 1953 it was converted to the MkII trigger style and received a complete rebuild at the Fazakerely facility.
A bit of terminology hair-splitting, but FTR is this (repair) not refit. Some rifles that went to India were marked "FR" no-one is quite sure why, but "Factory Repair", or "Field Repair" is one possible answer.
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Old October 21, 2012, 07:04 AM   #12
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The /53 No4 MkI/3 (F) FTR means in 1953 it was converted to the MkII trigger style and received a complete rebuild at the Fazakerely facility.
A bit of terminology hair-splitting, but FTR is this (repair) not refit. Some rifles that went to India were marked "FR" no-one is quite sure why, but "Factory Repair", or "Field Repair" is one possible answer.

Really old news.

Read the statement.

For a layman, someone not familiar with the No4, using the term "Factory Through Repair" does not tell them much. In this case the 1/3 FTR was just as I stated, a trigger refit and clean and rebuild.

I've been working on too many "03's and I'm stuck in usgi terminology.

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