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Old August 14, 2012, 08:59 AM   #1
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Headed to New York this weekend

Headed up to New York this weekend for a wedding. Upstate, not NYC. I have an Ohio CHL permit, but this does me no good in either PA or NY so I can obviously not bring a pistol with me.

What can I bring for personal protection and keep on my person under the laws of these two states? I will be traveling through PA, but destination is in NY.
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Old August 14, 2012, 11:33 AM   #2
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Stoeger coach gun in 12 guage?


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Old August 14, 2012, 11:34 AM   #3
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Try here under each state. Maybe they will elude to something.
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Old August 14, 2012, 11:34 AM   #4
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Do the two families hate each other that much?

Bear spray? Hint: The mother of the bride is not a fair target.

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Old August 14, 2012, 03:34 PM   #5
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Do the two families hate each other that much?
Hah, not that I know of. But will be there for several days - so daily out and about will not just be limited to the wedding/reception site, which is incidentally a campground

I was thinking on at least bringing my S&W ExtremeOps folder, but I think it might be over legal length, weighing in at about 4 inches

Not having a gun is not the worst thing in the world, but would like to have something
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Old August 14, 2012, 03:44 PM   #6
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You seem to be sensible.

Stay out of bad places. Go to bed at a reasonable hour. Don't hang out with bad people.

You'll be fine.

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Old August 14, 2012, 03:53 PM   #7
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Walking sticks and canes are dandy defensive tools.
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Old August 14, 2012, 04:04 PM   #8
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I agree with Don H,,,

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Walking sticks and canes are dandy defensive tools.
Yes, they really are.

It was the only weapon my Korean karate instructor would teach us young GI's.

Google LAPD baton training,,,
It translates very well to a normal cane length stick.

Smack a man on his ankle,,,
He will say ouch.

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Old August 14, 2012, 05:39 PM   #9
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Stressfire,

As a native New Yorker (Upstate), I have to say right off the bat - DO NOT bring any firearms into New York State. Only state residents may possess firearms within the state's boundaries (there is a small exception for visiting hunters, but that only allows them to borrow a gun from a friend who is a NY resident for the duration of the hunt).

OC/pepper spray is also heavily regulated, although I don't know the exact specifics so I'll just have to say be careful with regards to that.

I'd be careful of any folder over 3" without knowing what the local regs are. Some areas will regulate more than others (especially the more populated upstate cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany).

I have to third Don H's and Aarond's suggestion about a cane/walking stick. With a little knowledge of how to use a baton, they can be a very effective defensive tool without raising any warning flags or getting you in legal trouble just for having one (and canes aren't illegal in NY - yet - Bloomberg hasn't decided wheelchairs are better for your health so far this week).
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Old August 15, 2012, 01:17 AM   #10
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You may not even possess a pistol in the state of New York without a New York state pistol permit, and they don't give them to out-of-state residents. I don't know about long guns.
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Old August 15, 2012, 02:55 AM   #11
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Having lived in NY state much longer than I ever wished to, and being buried in the local and state regs more than I care to remember....

I determined that the only weapon I could legally carry anywhere I went was....
My truck keys.


Oh... and "upstate" being something other than NYC is how people from NYC refer to the state. People from other parts of NY refer to the actual area of the state that they're talking about. NY isn't exactly a 'small' state, so it does help to know the general area more precisely than just 'not NYC'.
The laws are still convoluted and repressive, but vary depending on the actual area in question.
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Old August 15, 2012, 11:31 AM   #12
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DO NOT bring any firearms into New York State
I figured that much was a given - neither PA nor NY are reciprocal with Ohio And I am wary enough carting the 4"+ blades around my own state with only vague or nonexistent OC laws (or lack thereof) to hang my hat on.

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You must not know my cousins very well But, yes, that is always my general modus operandi

Unfortunately the only non-old man type folding blades (think grandpa's jackknife) I have that are under 3" are a hawkbill that is only effective if used as a karambit, but has design features that make it look more wicked than it actually is and a single-edged stilleto-style (not a switchblade, but thin-bladed), and a switchblade (most likely illegal to carry anyways)

The cane is an idea...I have one that may suffice, but it might be difficult to claim it as a "needed" item being that I am not yet even 30 and able-bodied. I am just going to guess hear, but my ASP is probably out of the question
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Old August 15, 2012, 01:11 PM   #13
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I am just going to guess hear, but my ASP is probably out of the question
Yea, that's a good call. The walking stick would be the best idea - maybe you rolled your ankle getting out of the shower yesterday? Point is, it isn't too hard to find legitimate reasons for having one, and as far as I know, no one in the upstate area (excluding, perhaps, Westchester County), is ever going to care about it in the first place.

Definitely don't bring a switchblade into to NY - illegal by state law. Assisted-opening is OK, if a side folder, as far as I know - but I would always advise you to be more careful, not being a state resident. NY doesn't often play nice with outsiders.

Out of curiosity, whereabouts are you going? It may help to know - I, or someone else, may be better able to help you with local laws.
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Old August 15, 2012, 01:24 PM   #14
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Will mostly be in the Utica/Rome area

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Definitely don't bring a switchblade into to NY - illegal by state law.
I figured as much, they are illegal just about everywhere.

Like I said, not having a gun is not the worst thing in the world - but having nothing leaves one feeling a bit exposed.

The cane/walking stick may be a winner with a short assisted opener on the belt- I doubt I will have any need to use either, but I may need to open boxes
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Old August 15, 2012, 01:47 PM   #15
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It sounds like you've got things pretty well worked out then.

Utica/Rome area shouldn't be too bad, as far as I know - I'm from the Buffalo area, so maybe another member can help you out with area-specific advice where I can't.
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Old August 15, 2012, 01:59 PM   #16
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You should be okay this weekend. My daughter is getting married this Friday here in Virginia and half the guests are from New York. So I expect the risk leve will be way down.
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Old August 15, 2012, 03:05 PM   #17
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As John Farnam says:

Don't go to stupid places with stupid people. Be in bed by 10:00 PM

-- That's reasonable advice and you will survive Utica and Rome.

Or go to risky place with stupid people at 3:00 AM and carry a gun! Sounds like fun instead of going to NY.
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Old August 15, 2012, 04:42 PM   #18
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I grew out of that behavior several years ago and became a better judge of character in the process.

I'm pretty sure I'd survive regardless, but I only like to feel naked when I actually am and it is intentional
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