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Old June 7, 2012, 08:02 AM   #1
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dog town bullets ?

is anyone using these bullets for reloading ?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/939...n-hollow-point
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Old June 7, 2012, 08:25 AM   #2
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yes. they work fine in .222 Rem, .223/5.56, and 22-250.

IIRC somewhere on the Midway site they say that the bullets are mfd for them by Nosler.
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Old June 7, 2012, 09:00 AM   #3
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I went through a box a few years ago. They worked fine but were not close to the accuracy of the premium bullets from Sierra or Nosler that I typically use. I did not buy more.
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Old June 7, 2012, 10:43 AM   #4
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I use and like the 50 grain HPs in my Rem 600 (punched to .223REM - not throated for 5.56). The short stiff action combined with my very picky loads do well for me.

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Old June 7, 2012, 01:18 PM   #5
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I bought 1000 each .204 and .224 for prairie dog hunting. At 100yds they shot O.K. not as good as others but usable.When i tested them at long range they were worthless.Guess thats why they cost half as much as other bullets
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Old June 7, 2012, 10:33 PM   #6
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I have shot a bunch of the 50 gr soft points, at paper off the bench and at gophers in Montana rested on the roof of my Subaru Forester. They are sufficiently accurate for high volume varmint shooting out to 200 yards, and while not as spectacular as Ballistic Tips or V-Maxes at closer ranges, they do provide some decent air time for the small varmints. I have shot mine out of a couple of .223's using 26.0 gr of TAC for around 3200 fps and reliable performance.
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Old June 8, 2012, 12:16 AM   #7
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I used the 55gr HP's as the bullet I first reloaded in my .223. Some shot well, not great of stellar, but well ~ 1.25" groups at 100 yards. But I did have quite a few of them tumble in flight. I've used other 55gr bullets since and have never had the tumbling results get repeated. Looking at the bullet's hollow points, some are unevenly cut, and they are kind of on the large size for a .224" bullet (in my opinion, and from what I've seen.) Maybe it was me and my rookie loading technique, but I do blame the bullet. Take it for what it's worth.
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Old June 8, 2012, 07:41 PM   #8
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Hi to all, new to this forum. I've bought severatl thousand of the MidSouth Varmint extreme. I shoot the 20 grain. 17's out of my. 17 Fireball, the 34 grain 20's out of my. 204, the 50 grain soft point 224's out of my. 223 and the 55 grain soft points out of my 22-250. All will shoot under an inch with the. 17's right at 5/8" out of my Remmy SPS in. 17 Fireball. Granted they're not as accurate as some of the name brands but with them I can shoot my Fireball for less then my 17 HMR. 5/8" groups with a 20 grain at over 4000 fps, I'll take that any day. Longest shot on ground squirrels was lazered at 370 yards with lots over 350.
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Old June 8, 2012, 11:05 PM   #9
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I've been shooting the 55gr Dogtowns in my .223 and have been really surprised with them. I've been loading them with H335 and get groups under 1". I just returned from a prairie dog hunt in SD and do they really do some damage to the little critters! It was pretty windy and shooting out past 200 yards was a challenge, they drifted quite a bit.
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Old June 9, 2012, 10:25 AM   #10
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IMO they shoot as well as my favorite V-max in 55gn at 100 yards for a LOT less $$. beyond that ????
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Old June 9, 2012, 10:43 AM   #11
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Midway USA dog town .224 55GR, $58.99 for 500
Mid south Varmint nightmare .224 55Gr, $40.12 for 500
I shoot the Varmint nightmare in my Savages in 223 and 22-250 and my Mini-14. At 100 yards no complaints.
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Old June 9, 2012, 12:55 PM   #12
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I've been shooting the 55gr Dogtowns in my .223 and have been really surprised with them. I've been loading them with H335 and get groups under 1". I just returned from a prairie dog hunt in SD and do they really do some damage to the little critters! It was pretty windy and shooting out past 200 yards was a challenge, they drifted quite a bit.
what twist and length barrel do you have ?

Is anyone using these in an AR 15 ?
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Old June 9, 2012, 01:29 PM   #13
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what twist and length barrel do you have ?

Is anyone using these in an AR 15 ?
20" 1-12 AR
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Old June 27, 2012, 08:39 AM   #14
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dogtown bullets ?

I loaded some more of the dogtown bullets in hollow point and soft point and fired them this morning. Still cannot get a decent group, I loaded with H335 starting at 24.0 and going up in 2/10 th of a grain increments. I guess they are just not going to shoot well in my AR 15 with my 16" 1 in 8 twist R5 rifling.
I get excellent groups using Hornady AMAX and the MidwayUSA fmjbt's in bulk.
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Old June 27, 2012, 05:09 PM   #15
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I get excellent results from the Midway dogtown 55 gr HP with 25.3 gr H335 in my 20" 1-12. But I don't get as good of results with BT's, every gun is different!
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Old June 27, 2012, 07:13 PM   #16
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26.2 varget works well with those in my AR
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Old June 27, 2012, 07:41 PM   #17
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With a 1:8" twist, you're going to have to back down on the powder charges. The bullets are "over-stabilized", and probably near the self-destruction threshold.

I have to make an assumption (as much as I hate to), that you're using a 40-52 gr bullet. With that assumption, I figure your starting load should be producing 3,050-3,300 fps. (Not compensating for slight velocity loss in the short barrel.)

At those velocities, your bullets should be turning at about 274,500 to 297,000 rpm. In my experience, that's too fast. The fact that they're making it to the target seemingly in one piece is surprising, in itself.

I've seen the best results with similar bullets from about 186,000 to 225,000 rpm. ...which would require 2,066 to 2,500 fps.

Some tougher bullets will do just fine at rotational velocities around 250,000 rpm, but most lightly-constructed projectiles (like DogTowns) start having issues. They might partially deform under the centrifugal force. They might come apart entirely. Or, they might just start showing imbalance issues.

For comparison purposes, as to why this bullet works in 1:10" and 1:12" barrels at those same velocities...
3,300 fps in a 1:10" barrel results in 237,000 rpm
3,300 fps in a 1:12" barrel results in 198,000 rpm
3,050 fps in a 1:10" barrel results in 219,600 rpm
3,050 fps in a 1:12" barrel results in 183,000 rpm

As you can see, they are much closer to (or well within) the 'safe zone', than your 1:8" barrel; even in the worst case (3,300 in 1:10").

Bullet rpm = muzzle velocity (fps) * 720 (**) / twist rate (inches)
Example: 225,000 rpm = 2,500 fps*720/8
To calculate, plug velocity and twist rate into: (fps)*720/(twist)
The result will be in rpm.
(** Conversion factor for feet to inches, and seconds to minutes -- it remains constant.)


My advice would be to work DOWN from 24.0 grains, until you reach your accuracy load. If it gets to the point that the AR no longer cycles reliably, before finding that load, you'll have to choose a different powder.
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Old July 6, 2012, 07:46 AM   #18
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I am using the 223 dogtowns in 55 gr hollow point and soft point. SO far the 24.0 of H335 is the best, but I am still working on the load.
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Old August 10, 2012, 03:23 PM   #19
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I have hand loaded the 55 gr dog town sp with 24.0 of H335 for some tight groups at 100 yards

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Old August 11, 2012, 01:37 PM   #20
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20 or 24?

The hand writing in the photo looks like it says 24
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Old August 11, 2012, 01:53 PM   #21
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Where do we find load data for Dogtown bullets?

In a moment of tight fisted thinking, I bought a box and want to try them in a 222 Remington. I am thinking of using the data on Hodgson website for 35 gr. V-max for the 34 gr Dog Town.

Have googled for load data and all that comes up are threads on forums. Evidently those guys are doing the same thing---taking some valid data for similar weight bullets and then going kinda trial and error till something works. As conservative as most load books are these days, it seems like it would be unlikely to get into trouble if you start with minimum loads and carefully work up slow etc.

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Old August 11, 2012, 06:48 PM   #22
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MY bad it is 24.0
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Old August 11, 2012, 10:20 PM   #23
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One of my AR's has a 1:8 twist and I made the mistake of shooting a 600 yard match using 55 grain bullets. It was a huge mistake! In contrast, 69 grain bullets in that rifle gave me the best scores of my life.

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Old August 12, 2012, 01:07 AM   #24
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Rebs, did you answer your op not realizing you started this thread? Or are you coming back to this and sharing your experience?

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Old August 12, 2012, 01:11 AM   #25
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And being 4 whole grains off with recommended charge versus what the target says....



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