Would this conversion need a tax stamp?

C Philip · August 7, 2012, 11:21 PM

I saw this photo online and it got me thinking.

If you cut the stock down to a pistol grip before you cut the barrel down, then you would be making a long barreled pistol first. After could you shorten the barrel without any need for a tax stamp?

Is that correct or is this too much of a grey area (or plainly illegal)?

David Hineline · August 8, 2012, 12:44 AM

A pistol can be made into a rifle, but a rifle can never be made into a pistol.

One must start with a receiver that never has been assembled into a shoulder fired firearm.

**James K** · August 8, 2012, 02:04 PM

Can I stay away from the vicinity when someone touches off a full power 7.62 in that "pistol"? Talk about a blast!

Jim

SHNOMIDO · August 8, 2012, 02:21 PM

I have a powerful desire to do this. When I was handling a Mosin, my first thought was "I'm gonna cut this bad boy right in front of this band"

There must be a defective gene floating around that causes people to want to chop Mosins. Ive seen a couple.

5.56RifleGuy · August 8, 2012, 02:51 PM

It reminds me of something a pirate would have.

rjrivero · August 8, 2012, 03:11 PM

It would require a tax stamp. It is a "weapon made from a rifle" which falls under the SBR definition.

Stressfire · August 8, 2012, 05:05 PM

I'd pick something other than a bolt action for a start. Dunno if it's typical of not but handled and shot a Mosin at the range a couple weeks ago and the bolt was darn near impossible to work without beating it on the table

musher · August 8, 2012, 06:21 PM

Yeah it needs a tax stamp, but you gotta wonder whether you should register it as a sbr or a destructive device.

That thing has got to be dangerous at both ends and all around the middle!

medalguy · August 8, 2012, 06:50 PM

I vote it's a DD!! Would any of you try to shoot this monster?

For the OP: Anything with a BARREL length UNDER 16 inches or OVERALL length UNDER 26 inches is an NFA items and requires a tax stamp.

Rob62 · August 17, 2012, 09:32 PM

medalguy - to stir the pot some

............we have this

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497095

I am on record as saying that "playing" around in this grey area can get you seriously burned, or lots of lawyer bills at least.

But to get to the specific topic of this thread - it would take someone more courageous than me to shoot that thing, and yes it would require a BATFE Form 1 / Tax Stamp. Reminds me of an (illegal) cut down Enfield I saw once.

armoredman · August 17, 2012, 09:57 PM

Stressfire, there's a sure fire method to fixing Mosin "sticky bolt".

01SVTvert · August 18, 2012, 11:16 AM

These have an origin in WW2, check out the Obrez as they were called

And if you think thats crazy, a local board member made this:

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=734393

Loronzo · August 19, 2012, 02:23 AM

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...YhekpGhI&gl=US

Ethan.G · August 20, 2012, 08:16 PM

these things are everywhere on the net man, they call them 'Nuggets'
ill pass thanks

August 7, 2012, 11:21 PM	#1
C Philip Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 784	Would this conversion need a tax stamp? I saw this photo online and it got me thinking. If you cut the stock down to a pistol grip before you cut the barrel down, then you would be making a long barreled pistol first. After could you shorten the barrel without any need for a tax stamp? Is that correct or is this too much of a grey area (or plainly illegal)? Last edited by Brian Pfleuger; August 18, 2012 at 02:48 PM. Reason: Spelling

August 8, 2012, 02:04 PM	#3
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,611	Can I stay away from the vicinity when someone touches off a full power 7.62 in that "pistol"? Talk about a blast! Jim __________________ Jim K

August 8, 2012, 05:05 PM	#7
Stressfire Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,497	I'd pick something other than a bolt action for a start. Dunno if it's typical of not but handled and shot a Mosin at the range a couple weeks ago and the bolt was darn near impossible to work without beating it on the table __________________ "The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" - Montgomery Scott

August 17, 2012, 09:32 PM	#10
Rob62 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 1999 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 336	medalguy - to stir the pot some ............we have this http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497095 I am on record as saying that "playing" around in this grey area can get you seriously burned, or lots of lawyer bills at least. But to get to the specific topic of this thread - it would take someone more courageous than me to shoot that thing, and yes it would require a BATFE Form 1 / Tax Stamp. Reminds me of an (illegal) cut down Enfield I saw once. __________________ NRA & NAHC Life Member

August 17, 2012, 09:57 PM	#11
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,450	Stressfire, there's a sure fire method to fixing Mosin "sticky bolt". __________________ http://czfirearms.us/ same original CZForum, new location.

August 8, 2012, 12:44 AM	#2
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 700	A pistol can be made into a rifle, but a rifle can never be made into a pistol. One must start with a receiver that never has been assembled into a shoulder fired firearm.

August 8, 2012, 02:21 PM	#4
SHNOMIDO Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 423	I have a powerful desire to do this. When I was handling a Mosin, my first thought was "I'm gonna cut this bad boy right in front of this band" There must be a defective gene floating around that causes people to want to chop Mosins. Ive seen a couple.

August 8, 2012, 02:51 PM	#5
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	It reminds me of something a pirate would have.

August 8, 2012, 03:11 PM	#6
rjrivero Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 1,329	It would require a tax stamp. It is a "weapon made from a rifle" which falls under the SBR definition.

August 8, 2012, 06:21 PM	#8
musher Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2005 Posts: 372	Yeah it needs a tax stamp, but you gotta wonder whether you should register it as a sbr or a destructive device. That thing has got to be dangerous at both ends and all around the middle!

August 8, 2012, 06:50 PM	#9
medalguy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 961	I vote it's a DD!! Would any of you try to shoot this monster? For the OP: Anything with a BARREL length UNDER 16 inches or OVERALL length UNDER 26 inches is an NFA items and requires a tax stamp.

August 18, 2012, 11:16 AM	#12
01SVTvert Junior Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Posts: 8	These have an origin in WW2, check out the Obrez as they were called And if you think thats crazy, a local board member made this: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=734393

August 19, 2012, 02:23 AM	#13
Loronzo Member Join Date: July 1, 2012 Posts: 65	http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...YhekpGhI&gl=US Last edited by Loronzo; August 19, 2012 at 02:49 AM.

August 20, 2012, 08:16 PM	#14
Ethan.G Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2012 Posts: 127	these things are everywhere on the net man, they call them 'Nuggets' ill pass thanks