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Old July 31, 2012, 07:51 PM   #1
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Assault ban in Illinois...

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Gov-Q...164504116.html

I think it's time for Gov. Quinn to go. Chicago politics keep dragging down the rest of the state.
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Old July 31, 2012, 08:36 PM   #2
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I'm confused as to what the unmodified bill is even for? Why do you need an additional law saying ammo purchased instate can be shipped to you, when you can already have ammo shipped to you if you live outside of Cook County?
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Old July 31, 2012, 08:49 PM   #3
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I think the plan is to limit IL residents to only buying online from Illinois dealers.
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Old July 31, 2012, 09:02 PM   #4
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The Democrat used his amendatory veto power today to include the ban in a bill related to ammunition sales. It’s now up to lawmakers to accept his changes or reject them.
Amendatory Veto? I didn't know there was such a thing, but its existence should be cause for concern. That's putting a lot of power in the hands of an executive.
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Old July 31, 2012, 09:34 PM   #5
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Gov. Quinn says that he is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but then does something like this.

He has said before that "There is no place in the state of Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range,"

Which strikes me as completely odd that he wants to impose more legislation on gun owners saying that it's for the good of the people of IL, and that the people of IL are not safe. I think he really means the people of Chicago.

Chicago already has similar laws in place and has about a 30% increase in murder rates from about this time last year.
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Old July 31, 2012, 09:59 PM   #6
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We already had a ban bill in the assembly earlier this year. It didn't go anywhere.
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Old July 31, 2012, 10:23 PM   #7
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Yeah, the amendatory veto has me totally puzzled. Separation of powers, anyone?

As far as the substantive part of the bill, well, it's an AWB, all right.
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Old August 1, 2012, 05:13 AM   #8
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Here is the link to his actual reply with his 'changes' to the bill.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...ID=11&Session=

So the bill was passed and went to him for the final signature when he returned it with these amendments.
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Old August 1, 2012, 07:51 AM   #9
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As I understand the original bill(Before Quinn replaced the entire bill with his AWB) clarified some legalese so it is CLEAR that someone from Illinois can buy ammo online from a seller outside Illinois but also from seller INSIDE Illinois. I believe the way its worded now "technically' you can only buy ammo online/through the mail from an out of state seller. Not that it stops anyone, I buy ammo from a dealer in Southern Illinois all the time..


This AWB is basically word for word an AWB that a Democratic rep from Chicago has been pushing for a while but that did not have anywhere near the votes to even come up for a vote this legislative session. On the one hand the likelihood of this passing is slim...on the other this is Illinois, god knows what kind of back room deals are going on right, god knows who has dirt on who so anything CAN happen in the world of Chicago style politics.
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Old August 1, 2012, 08:21 AM   #10
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There is a part of the bill that says you can keep your now illegal stuff if you provide proof of ownership within 90 days.

What is proof of ownership? I don't keep receipts or anything like that. Do you?
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Old August 1, 2012, 12:39 PM   #11
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Scary stuff there. He even included the old "semi-automatic version of a fully automatic pistol"...I'm still wondering if that applies to Glocks and Berettas. A felony for possession of a high-cap magazine? Ouch.
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Old August 1, 2012, 12:48 PM   #12
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Interesting call on handguns. The Beretta 93 looks like a 92 but I thought it was significantly different. Also, when did the auto come out. The Glock 18 followed the 17. So what does version mean?

Of course, this will solve the crime rate in Chicago.
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Old August 1, 2012, 02:29 PM   #13
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The Beretta 93 looks like a 92 but I thought it was significantly different.
Foregrip and a couple of components are really all that separate the 2.

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What is proof of ownership? I don't keep receipts or anything like that. Do you?
Yes, yes I do.
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Old August 1, 2012, 04:57 PM   #14
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This thing has Rahm Emanuel written all over it. Emanuel was the author of the federal "AWB".

Under the IL "amendatory veto" rule the legislature may approve the measure by a majority vote or reject it by a 3/5 vote. If the legislature does nothing the bill dies.

http://illinoisissues-archive.uis.ed...cs/vetoes.html

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Under the amendatory veto power, a governor may return a bill with specific recommendations for change, which lawmakers can accept by majority votes in each chamber or can over- ride with three-fifths majorities. If legislators do neither, the bill is dead.

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Despite the speaker’s distaste for the practice, over the last two decades, lawmakers have accepted governors’ changes more than two-thirds of the time, and overridden only about 6 percent of the amenda-tory vetoes. In the remainder of the cases — about a quarter of the total — the underlying bills have died.
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Old August 1, 2012, 05:00 PM   #15
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Curious, do you have a reference that E. authored the AWB - it was quite awhile ago? I recall Biden saying that he was primo.
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Old August 1, 2012, 08:59 PM   #16
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Curious, do you have a reference that E. authored the AWB - it was quite awhile ago? I recall Biden saying that he was primo.
Uh, i wrote the wrong thing: Authored is not the right word. Rahm Emanuel was the Senior Advisor to the President for Polical Strategy. Senator Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ) claimed that Rahm Emanuel and Dennis Burke were the driving force behind passage of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban.*

The so called "assault weapons" ban was a very small part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act which contained 33 titles. Beginning in 1989 there were about 15 "assault weapons" bans proposed in congress. i'm not sure who proposed the version of the AWB that became law. Rahm Emanuel and Dennis Burke may have had input into language of the AWB.

*Burke was the federal prosecutor for AZ who approved Fast and Furious.
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Old August 1, 2012, 09:25 PM   #17
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What is proof of ownership? I don't keep receipts or anything like that. Do you?
Proof of ownership means you bring it to the police station so they can look at it, and perhaps register what you own.

Receipts would only apply if the state needed "proof of purchase".
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Old August 1, 2012, 10:55 PM   #18
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According to our NRA lobbyist Quinn's proposal has virtually no chance of moving forward.


Legislative Update 8/1/12

Well just about the time you don’t think there are any more stunts to be pulled, and that all the grandstanding was going to be done in Washington, we get this stunt here in Illinois.

The Governor took a bill to clean up ammo sales that we proposed, and passed, and used his Amendatory Veto authority to gut the bill and re-write it to be the City of Chicago’s semi-auto ban.

We have seen this language before and it didn’t have the votes to pass then, and it doesn’t have the votes to pass no in our opinion. In fact, we control the legislation. Since it is our bill to begin with, we picked the sponsors for the bill, people who generally believe like we do. So we control the bill from the stand point of if the veto message even gets called.

The procedure is for the sponsor of the bill to file a motion to either accept or reject the Governor’s action. Since we have no intention of accepting them, the only options then are to either move to override the veto, or not call the motions for a vote.

Either way, the semi-auto ban has no way of becoming law. For other reasons, I won’t go into all of our other issues or scenarios, and possibilities. There is a lot going on right now, but we are still in the driver’s seat and even if the Governor wanted to call a special session on guns, he won’t beat us.
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Old August 2, 2012, 09:30 AM   #19
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Davey,

Thanks for the update.

I still sent my local politicians a message letting them know that I disagreed with Gov. Quinn on his amendment to the Senate Bill 681 .

I find it interesting that the older I get the more I care about the politics, and the more involved I get.
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Old August 2, 2012, 10:23 AM   #20
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Thanks, Thallub - that's interesting. Didn't know that. Supposedly Rahm told Holder to shut up when Holder said that they wanted to reinstate the AWB after Obama got in.
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