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Old July 31, 2012, 07:45 AM   #1
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Wis.wolf fee

I was going to try wolf hunting this year in Wis.but since the lottery and fee for the tag and lottery adds up to 110.00 I dicided to sit out! and I'm asking people on this board that live in Wis.to sit out also! till the fee is LOWERED!.



This is the State rep email and phone #'s thats responsible for the fee 110.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/...ws/contact.htm
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Old July 31, 2012, 10:13 AM   #2
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Heh. In today's world, $110 is chump change. Two folks at Ruth's Chris, for instance. If $110 bothers you, you don't want to even think about non-resident license costs in elk country.

As hurting as wildlife agencies are for money, I don't expect any license fees for anything, anywhere, to do other than (maybe) hold steady or, more likely, keep rising.
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Old July 31, 2012, 10:29 AM   #3
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Yeah it does bother me Art because the State to Wis. west there residents just pay 34.00! and a wolf I would not eat a elk I would.
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Old July 31, 2012, 10:38 AM   #4
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Full bag of resident tags in NY costs almost $100. Nonresident bow license for elk in Colorado is like $350. I'd gladly pay $110 to hunt a wolf as a nonresident. That seems cheap.
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Old July 31, 2012, 10:50 AM   #5
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$110 for non-resident wolf? That's a good deal!

What would you expect a non-resident fee to be? You have no interest in hunting big game in AZ, our markup is quite a bit higher than that. Which I tend to agree with. Why shouldn't in-state hunters get a better deal?
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Old July 31, 2012, 12:41 PM   #6
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$110 for non-resident wolf?

........no. That's for a resident. $10 to apply and $100 for a kill tag if you are successful in the drawing. With only 2010 tags available to shoot 201 wolves I doubt very much if there will be any tags left over. Most wolf hunters will spend over $110 in gas just to scout and hunt wolves if they are successful. Monies taken in from tags goes to pay for pet/livestock losses due to wolf predation.
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Old July 31, 2012, 01:23 PM   #7
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100 is for a RESIDENT 500 for non resident.
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Old July 31, 2012, 02:38 PM   #8
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Yeah it does bother me Art because the State to Wis. west there residents just pay 34.00!
I see. Care to decipher this for me then?
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Old July 31, 2012, 03:21 PM   #9
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Te State I brought up is Minnisota 34. to get a wolf tag and 4. to get in the lottery.
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Old July 31, 2012, 08:47 PM   #10
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Chuckee,

Please in the future learn to be clearer and more concise in your postings. It'll make things easier for all of us to read and understand what you're trying to say.

Second I too live in WI and while I have no intention of hunting wolves (simply put I hunt everything else and wolves would just be another expense that I am choosing not to take on at this point in time) I really wouldn't complain about the cost of the lottery and tag to hunt wolves. Its not like there are THAT many of them that everyone could go wolf hunting. Now if the cost to hunt coyote were that high I'd be pitching a fit!

Its simple really bud, if you don't like the cost don't do it. If you decide later on that you want to do it then put the money forward. Remember that we didn't HAVE to have a wolf season. I'm all for a wolf season and for allowing farmers to cull wolf packs that threaten their livestock but we're not in dire need of a wolf season. Be glad we have a wolf season and that you even have the chance to go out and lawfully shoot a wolf.

Third - complaining about the cost of the lottery and tag is ridiculous. What would yo do with the wolf if and when you've shot it? Eat it? I doubt it. Many, I assume, would go and spend much more money having the animal mounted if it was a trophy. Otherwise they'd take the skin and have it tanned then either keep it themselves (again no cheap cost) or sell it. The cost of leasing an area to hunt and/or scouting the area to hunt for wolves alone would exceed the cost of the lottery and tag. The cost of your supplies (food, lodging, fuel etc.) to hunt would cost more than the lottery and tag. In the end the cost of the lottery and tag is a minor consideration in all of this.
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Old July 31, 2012, 09:15 PM   #11
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Hansam, your post actually points out why that price is ridiculous. A wolf is basically a target of opportunity, it's pretty darn hart to "hunt" wolves even out west, much less in the midwest where the properties are chopped up so small. I know for a fact most residents out west simply buy a tag to have in their pocket in case they run into a wolf; very few actually set out to specifically hunt them (some do of course).

Montana put a similarly insane fee on NR wolf tags and guess what...all the locals pleaded for me to shoot them on sight, but of course a $350 lottery ticket or whatever they were charging was insane so I did not go for it. Charge me $20 to have one in my pocket and sure, I'll shoot a predator if I see one. But price it like big game and no one is going to bite.

So you can't eat a wolf...if you want to do anything but bury it it will cost you even more...seems like they simply don't want anyone to buy wolf tags.
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My guess is that you can sell a green wolf pelt for at least $100. Wolves are not just targets of opportunities in this day and age, they are regarded by many a trophy animal. If Wisconsin G&F is trying to cut back significantly on the wolf herd then maybe they could lower the price. If they are simply trying to manage it, that price is more than fair to a lot of people.
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Old August 1, 2012, 09:33 AM   #13
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The beauty of the net and a forum such as this is that we are all free to offer up our opinions regardless of who started the thread Chuckee.

Anyway Spaniel you've missed my point entirely.

Wolf hunting in Wisconsin is a luxury - out and out a luxury - for those who do not own livestock in wolf territory. The other thing is that wolves are NOT as numerous as say bears. Land owners whose livestock is under danger of predation from wolves are allowed to shoot wolves that are damaging their livestock. They do not need to enter into the wolf lottery or purchase the license. Frankly they're the only ones who need to shoot wolves. For everyone else its just a luxury. You can't even say you'd eat the wolf you shoot - not like shooting deer or even bear.

Speaking of bear in WI the cost of a bear license is currently $49 for a resident. Application to the lottery is $3. Currently the average wait for your name to be drawn for a bear license is anywhere from 6 to 9 years. I waited 4 years to be able to purchase a bear license - that was 5 years ago. I hunted bear once in WI and decided that I didn't like bear hunting enough to continue to apply to the lottery and wait for the license. In this state bear are more numerous than wolves and there are more bear licenses available for purchase to lottery winners. In fact last year there were a total of 9,015 tags/licenses sold. The population of black bear in WI is estimated to be somewhere between 26,000 and 40,000. Oh by the way people DO eat bear. I wouldn't expect many if any wolf hunters to eat wolf.

In contrast this year the population of Wisconsin's wolves is estimated to be around 800 and the hunting quota is only expected to be between 142 to 233 wolves. That doesn't leave many tags to be sold or filled.

Basically when there's more bears and more bear tags to be sold the cost is lower. The cost of wolf tags and lottery represents the low number of wolves in the state.

As I said before too, the cost of the lottery and tag in itself is probably one of the least expensive parts of the hunt. You'll spend plenty more just finding and acquiring a place to hunt, a place to stay while hunting, hunting supplies and fuel costs getting to and from your hunt. As someone said before in this thread, $110 is chump change, especially compared to the actual cost of the hunt itself.

EDIT: Huntinaz brings up a good point. The purpose of Wisconsin's wolf hunt is NOT to seriously cut back the wolf population. It is only to manage the population so as to limit the danger of wolf predation on livestock in Wi. With only 800 or so wolves in the state the hunt was never intended to greatly decrease the population. In that case the cost of the license is not horrendous at all.

Of course if you don't like paying the resident cost in WI for hunting wolves then you COULD go hunt wolves in Minnesota since they've got closer to 3000 wolves... of course that'll cost even more.
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Old August 1, 2012, 01:14 PM   #15
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I think the Idaho tags are too much... at $11.50 or 31.75 for nonresident.
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Old August 1, 2012, 01:34 PM   #16
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Tags?? Tags??? I don't need no stinking tags. The one I shot in the fall of 09 didn't ask for a tag. When he was about 30 feet away from the Lab I was grouse hunting with I issued HIM a tag with a 2.5" M19 w/158gr JHP. Hide???? Left him lie where he was, looked like he died of natural causes to me.....

There must be enough of a problem in northern WI to warrant the stores stocking buckshot in most all gauges......
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Old August 1, 2012, 04:58 PM   #17
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Idaho is the place to hunt not Wisconsin with all the crazy hunting laws.And the DNR said in a news realease that they wanted to thin out the packs of wolfs they caved in to the tree huggers just like they did back in the early 80's about the killing of the black bears and that was told to me by a DNR warden!,and they did the same to wolf hunts 100 for the tag 10 to get in the lottery - the DNR is just another arm to get money into Madison!.
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Old August 1, 2012, 08:21 PM   #18
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Tags?? Tags??? I don't need no stinking tags. The one I shot in the fall of 09 didn't ask for a tag. When he was about 30 feet away from the Lab I was grouse hunting with I issued HIM a tag with a 2.5" M19 w/158gr JHP. Hide???? Left him lie where he was, looked like he died of natural causes to me.....
There are circumstances where the killing of wild predators is necessary to protect your personal property. Your lab is your personal property and as such you were in the right to have shot him. Really you should have notified the local warren and the warren would have then taken the carcass for research purposes but you wouldn't have gotten into any trouble for it. I have friends who have had to do the same as you did with the exception being that they all called the DNR and reported the shooting. Farmers and land owners whose property is being threatened or suffering from predation can do the same. In these instances there is no need for a lottery and/or tags.

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Idaho is the place to hunt not Wisconsin with all the crazy hunting laws.And the DNR said in a news realease that they wanted to thin out the packs of wolfs they caved in to the tree huggers just like they did back in the early 80's about the killing of the black bears and that was told to me by a DNR warden!,and they did the same to wolf hunts 100 for the tag 10 to get in the lottery - the DNR is just another arm to get money into Madison!
If you don't like hunting in WI then don't. Go hunt in Idaho if that's what you believe. As for the DNR I'm not a fan of some of the things they're doing and frankly I think they're rather skewed on their estimates of how many deer are in the state and where but aside from that I've got nothing against them. In fact I hunt almost all year round (aside from the month or so in the dead of winter where I admit I'm too much of a wuss to go sit out in the cold) and I don't have any problems with the "crazy hunting laws" that you're complaining about. I know the wardens personally in the areas I hunt often and I can tell you they're good people who are just as avid hunters as any of us. Each and every one of them takes time off to go hunting and they also have to obey the laws that are here.

Frankly I don't understand why people complain so much about the laws here. We don't have magazine limits on guns aside from migratory bird hunting (3 shells in the gun max). So that means if you want to go out there with an AR or AK and walk around with a hundred round drum (if you want to carry all that weight) you can and nobody's going to bug you about it. Blaze orange requirements are there for your safety - I almost got shot during archery season by another hunter who was walking from his blind back to his car because because neither of us had blaze orange and he saw movement and thought it MIGHT be a deer so he shot. I tell you when that arrow flew past me I hit the ground and I had my 1911 drawn and ready to return fire while shouting curses till he started to wave and apologize. I was still tempted to shoot him... but didn't. While during bow hunting its not required I think its not unreasonable to require it during deer gun season. There are other laws and rules that you have to obey that some people might contest but really I don't see anything unreasonable about them. After all I've hunted here in WI two thirds of my life and I haven't had any problems with obeying the laws here AND having a good time.

Maybe the problem isn't with the laws but with the people who don't want to obey them?
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Old August 2, 2012, 08:14 AM   #19
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I gotta tell you Hansam I disagree with you on the killing and calling the DNR.Why tell on youself? this was one of the qustions I asked the warden in park Falls a few days ago.What would happend to me if I shot and killed a wolf without a permit - and this is what he told me if a warden see you kill the animal then he has THE CHOISE to either let you go or issue you a ticket and take your guns! And if no one see then I will just let the animal ROT on the Forest floor! you almost NEVER WIN against the DNR on that issue. S.S.S!
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To be honest, I wasn't certain of where I stood having killed a "protected" animal, and seeking out a warden wasn't on my list, but I was NOT going to let that thing get to my dog. It would have been a one sided slaughter with the wolf leaving with a full belly.

In the area I hunt there are numerous signs every morning of thier presence but this was the first one I had ever seen. How many saw me is up for speculation, but this was the only one to act agressive and actually launch an attack. I felt that I had no choice.
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You see Chuckee there's something involved with being a sportsman called being ethical.

There's not only lawful and unlawful but there's also being ethical and unethical. I consider myself an ethical sportsman. If I shoot a wolf I'm going to call the local warden and let him/her know. I am of the belief that the warden, being a logical and ethical person, will understand the situation I'm in and act accordingly. The friends I have had that HAVE shot wolves either due to self defense or defense of their property (dogs while hunting) have called and "told on themselves". They did not receive a ticket or have their firearms taken away. Instead they were asked a bunch of questions regarding their reasoning for having shot the wolf and the actual circumstances surrounding it. If there were witnesses they took statements from them as well and that was it. No tickets, no charges and definitely no confiscation of firearms.

I was involved in a bear shooting while hunting several years ago. I was walking back to camp and witnessed a black bear charge a hunting companion as he was cooking lunch. We called the DNR, a warden came out, and we all gave testimonies as to what we saw. The warden took the carcass and left. Again no tickets, no charges and no confiscation of firearms.

I'd actually like to know who you spoke to Chuckee, as in which warden. What county are you in and which warden did you speak with regarding these issues? There are only two in each county (unless the DNR somehow came across some money and they could hire more wardens) so they shouldn't be so hard to remember. I have the business cards of every warden in the areas I frequently hunt in my wallet... that amounts to 8 because there's 4 counties I hunt in primarily. Likewise though I'll call my local warden and ask him regarding having to shoot a wolf that is endangering say... my hunting dog.

In any case back to my point at hand - there's ethics involved. Frankly I believe that if people can't be ethical while hunting then those people have no place out there hunting. Ethics is the only thing which separates us as sportsmen from the barbarians that the antis want to paint us as.

Bailey Boat, as I've said before, I would have shot the wolf too. My dog cost me $1,000 as a puppy and after training it would not be unreasonable to say that the dog is a $4500 investment in my hunting past time. I won't let wolf destroy that investment just because its a)hungry or b)defending its territory. The only difference is that I'd call the DNR once the shooting was over and let them know what had happened. I believe that if you're an honest, law abiding and ethical sportsman you can "tell on yourself" and still come out on top. I won't expound on my thoughts and opinions about people who are unethical in their methods.
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The warden I talked to workes in the Park Falls DNR office as far as a name I did not ask and thats up in Prince county.So far you are were lucky to have nice wardens so far but there a chance your luck will run out! never say or offer any info to any DNR WARDEN! AS far a it being ethical or not thats not yours to say if I poached A DEER then thats not ethical.
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Shoot a wolf without a tag then failing to report the incident is also poaching. Ever thought about that?

EDIT: Oh by the way you got the county wrong. There is NO Prince county in WI. Park Falls is in Price County and I'll give them a call since they ARE in wolf territory. If the office says what you stated then I'll concede that I was wrong and you were right. If the office states different then I'll wait for your concession but I won't hold my breath.

EDIT (again): I called the office and was able to get in touch with a customer service agent there. I believe his name was Greg or Fred although the way he said it on the phone was not easy to make out. He stated that IF you found yourself or your dog in danger of being attacked by wolf and the wolf was in the act of attacking you or your dog (ie. stalking, growling, advancing etc.) then you have the right to shoot the wolf. Afterwards the procedure would be to notify the DNR and the wolf would be turned over to them for research and so as not to promote people just claiming self defense and shooting a wolf for sport. Aside from that no charges would be brought forth IF the shooting was determined to be truly a justified defensive shooting. Failure to notify the DNR is a crime and is considered an act of poaching which if caught would lead to a hefty fine AND confiscation of firearms AND loss of hunting privileges.

Personally I'll stay ethical and follow the law. I'd strongly advise that others do the same.
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Old August 2, 2012, 01:55 PM   #24
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So in other words they will make it a federal case! now they were not there so then how are they going to tell me I was in the wrong? Are they going to run tests on the wolf like CSI CRIME does for people on TV? why even get yourself involved in the first place the woods are a big place and if a county just has 2 wardens there not going to be everywhere.
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Wow... trying to reason with you is obviously failing and not due to lack of trying on my part.

Its obvious you're willing to rationalize breaking the law just so you can sleep at night after you've been out there doing just that - breaking the law

As for the hunting laws here in WI, don't like them? Don't hunt here. Plain and simple. Look for somewhere else to hunt that has laws more to your liking... like Canada.
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