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Old January 17, 2013, 02:38 PM   #1
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Sandy Hook ID rifle in trunk

Hello everyone,

I need a consensus for exactly what type of firearm is in this video starting at 1:22. It does not look like any AR-15 I have ever seen, looks more like a shotgun to me, but what type of shotgun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo


Can anyone identify the firearm at 5:00 in this video? This clip seems fuzzier to me:

http://youtu.be/Wx9GxXYKx_8?t=5m3s



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Old January 17, 2013, 02:40 PM   #2
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I don't believe personally that the gun in the trunk was a saiga shotgun. It looks more like a tube fed shotgun of some type.

Another bit of evidence to me about this is that they cycled the action of the gun several times to empty it out. The quickest way of emptying a tub fed shotgun, not a clip fed one.

furthermore while cycling the action shells are popping out several times but no mag in the gun.
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Old January 17, 2013, 02:45 PM   #3
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:13 PM   #4
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:18 PM   #5
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I'm guessing a mossberg 590 with no stock and a pistol grip.
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:46 PM   #6
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Best bet is a Shotgun, Semiauto, tube fed, pistol gripped with a stock.

It would be similar to a Benelli M-1 but could easily be several others. The video is pretty poor.
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:47 PM   #7
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If you look close while the officer is unloading it you can see the full stock but his hand is gripping the pistol grip. But it still could be a Mossberg 500 and there are aftermarket stocks for many.

BTW, I suggest you PM the forum mod in charge of this section, ask him if this topic is ok with them because I think they may not be very supportive of "conspiracy work".

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Old January 17, 2013, 04:30 PM   #8
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Looks like he is unloading a tube feed automatic shotgun as the charging handle is on the side with no bottom magazine. I'm guessing a Benelli Super 90
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Old January 17, 2013, 04:47 PM   #9
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Isn't he racking a charging handle? So, definitely an autoloader.
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Old January 17, 2013, 04:48 PM   #10
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Saiga with an ATI 'Dragunov' stock...

No mag, and the dude wracking the handle is trying to get the bolt to stay back so he can look in the breech (which he finally does while holding the bolt rearward)...

http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/300/230132513.jpg
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Old January 17, 2013, 04:54 PM   #11
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Salmoneye, nice picture of a stock, explain the rounds being ejected from a mag fed weapon that has no mag.

Maybe there was just one in the chamber and the video didn't show him removing the mag first, or the mag wasn't in and a round was left chambered.

But it doesn't look at all like a SAIGA to me and the stock looks like a standard solid stock with pistol grip. Again tho, the video is bad.


EDIT: real hard to tell, but Salmoneye might be right, the video is just so bad.
I don't know if a SAIGA locks rearward on an mag or no mag at all.
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Old January 17, 2013, 05:01 PM   #12
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I'm thinking its this "EVIL" black shotgun right here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4
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Old January 17, 2013, 05:09 PM   #13
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I've heard it is VERY easy to tell the difference from a rifle wound as opposed to your average pistol wound. Either the medical examiner is ignorant, or he purposely lied which is far more likely.
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Old January 17, 2013, 05:15 PM   #14
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^^ The gun haters NEEDED something to get the public behind their agenda. What better way than to exploit such a tragedy. Very sad. I feel for all the families involved in that horrific event. But by them saying it was the "assault rifle" that was used it would get folks behind the long wanted agenda to re up and improved ban. Just my opionion.
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Old January 17, 2013, 05:23 PM   #15
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I watched the video before an I am certain it was a shotgun, It had what looked like a skelotonized stock but may have been shot shell holder on it. There were two versions of the video one that shows the officer handing a long gun to the crime scene guys, and another crime scene guy reaches in and takes another long gun out....neither of which were ARs.

Some claim that the officer took a magazine out of the long gun in question, but I couldn't tell either way.

I'm satisfied that it was a shotgun, doesn't matter much, it was still tragic.

The wheels have been put into motion, and they put a brick on the pedal. If it is found that the AR was in the trunk, it will not change anything.
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Old January 17, 2013, 06:46 PM   #16
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I read that it was Saiga of some sort.
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Old January 17, 2013, 06:53 PM   #17
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It's a Saiga 12 shotgun based on the location of the charging handle and size of the shell that ejected.
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Old January 17, 2013, 07:04 PM   #18
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He's definitely operating a charging handle on the side. Looks about the right location for a saiga or semi-auto shotty.

I keep seeing a wire frame type stock. It looks really thin, but I don't see any wire below the top one. Could be anything, really, definitely not an AR, at least not any kind I've seen.
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Old January 17, 2013, 07:41 PM   #19
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+1 Saiga shotgun in a dragunov stock, magazine removed.

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Old January 17, 2013, 08:32 PM   #20
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I bet that's it.
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Old January 17, 2013, 09:13 PM   #21
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Than how did several rounds flip out when the officer was cycling the action..... with no magazine in it?

It is a tubefed shotgun.
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Old January 17, 2013, 09:48 PM   #22
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I only saw one round come out, and it looked as though the barrel was kinda low in relation to the handguard.

I'm gonna guess saiga shotty...
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Old January 17, 2013, 09:51 PM   #23
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I only see one shell eject, and it is on the first pull of the handle...
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Old January 18, 2013, 05:24 AM   #24
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I saw one rd eject too. Then the officer pulled the handle several times.
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Old January 18, 2013, 10:36 AM   #25
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Right, same here, one round is all I could pick out for sure. But the officer's actions suggest he wanted to lock the bolt back and was holding the pistol grip in right hand, working the bolt with his left and couldn't get it too lock back.

He then switches his grip left hand to the forward stock, right back on the bolt and still no joy. Finally he spots the bolt lock mechanism and shifts his left hand to activate it and locks the bolt to the rear.

I don't know how the SAIGA functions but my earlier question remains, does it lock back on an empty mag, (last round), and what about when the mag is removed?

EDIT: I just watched a youtube video showing that the gun doesn't lock back on the last round. That suggests it also doesn't lock back without a mag as well. That means the SAIGA isn't disqualified buy watching how this weapon functioned in the officer's hands. In fact, watching some more it looks like the bolt can't be locked back at all.

Anyone notice for sure that the officer successfully locked the bolt back or did he just give up?
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