I would dump 'em all for this one...

Slugo · July 29, 2012, 06:20 AM

everyone of us has that special gun that will always have a place in our cranium, the K-20 sporter is mine!

how about the rest of you jokers...

PJR · July 29, 2012, 07:40 AM

Mine was a 32" Perazzi MX8-28 gauge.

BigJimP · July 29, 2012, 12:08 PM

Krieghoff K-80 ....with a Trap comb ...and 30" barrels would be my personal choice ..and a carrier barrel ...and a full set of full length tubes in 20ga, 28ga and .410 ....

I wouldn't get ridiculous ...but I'd want some upgraded engraving on the receiver...and an upgrade on the wood for the stock and the forend.

but nothing wrong with the K-20 either...

Drummer101 · July 29, 2012, 12:46 PM

I am actually not really a fan of it with the hole in the receiver and the little tab in front of the trigger...

.300 Weatherby Mag · July 29, 2012, 01:21 PM

Slugo,

I've shot one... Very nice gun!!!

Method · July 30, 2012, 12:19 AM

Something I've noticed...on the skeet field most top shooters are using a Kreighoff, Kolar, Blaser F3, or Remington 1100. When I check out the Olympic trap and skeet shooters, they seem to favor Beretta and Perazzi. Is there a reason that the amateur crowd favors the former and international competitors the latter?

PJR · July 30, 2012, 08:58 AM

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Something I've noticed...on the skeet field most top shooters are using a Kreighoff, Kolar, Blaser F3, or Remington 1100. When I check out the Olympic trap and skeet shooters, they seem to favor Beretta and Perazzi. Is there a reason that the amateur crowd favors the former and international competitors the latter?

It is probably because American skeet has subgauge classes. The three o/us you mentioned all have mechanical triggers which are better when using subgauge tubes. Inertia triggers depend on the recoil from the first shot to reset for the second barrel and will often not work reliably with the smaller gauges. The Remington 1100 meanwhile is the only semi-automatic produced in all 4 gauges. Competitors can use identical guns in all gauges.

Beretta and Perazzi guns are inertia trigger guns but because international skeet is a 12 gauge only event there is no need to have triggers that can accommodate lighter loads.

Slugo · July 30, 2012, 10:25 AM

good conversation guys. I'm thinking that I still enjoy shooting subgauge guns more so than the standard 12, even though I sprung for a new 725. The 20 anything is my all time favorite gauge. That's why I spent the last six months hunting down an LT-20. Also because the LT-20 was built on Remington's 28 gauge frame.

This is why the K-20 is my holy grail, but one I will only dream about...

Method · July 30, 2012, 10:13 PM

PJR,

You are the man. Thanks for that info. Now I just have to decide if I want to go with a K-80 in the future or a K-20. I've read (and heard from fellow shooters recently) that scores between a 12ga and 20ga are nearly identical, and that most accomplished shooters simply shoot 20 for both doubles and 12ga. If that's the case...perhaps Slugo's K-20 is a better overall value.

PS: When I say the future...I mean years of saving up. Man the top-o-the-line equipment can be expensive.

PJR · August 1, 2012, 09:40 AM

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Now I just have to decide if I want to go with a K-80 in the future or a K-20.

I'd suggest the K80 for serious skeet shooting. There are more of them, they are often found on the used market and getting subgauge tubes will be easier for a 12 gauge. Top shooters do shoot the 20 as well as the 12 but for the rest of us having those extra pellets is very reassuring.

Slugo · August 1, 2012, 09:48 AM

PJR, I don't shoot skeet. To me it's the most boring shotgun sport. I'm sporting clays all the way with a little trap thrown in for good measure. Skeet is way to repetitious to keep me interested. But, I can shoot skeet with a 20 just as effectively as with any 12...

Bushmaster1313 · August 1, 2012, 10:31 PM

I actually got my "grail gun" and because the finish on the stock was worn it was not expensive.

1934 Remington 31R (in foreground)

TheKlawMan · August 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

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PJR, I don't shoot skeet. To me it's the most boring shotgun sport. I'm sporting clays all the way with a little trap thrown in for good measure. Skeet is way to repetitious to keep me interested. But, I can shoot skeet with a 20 just as effectively as with any 12...

I hear what you are saying. The thing about skeet is it is more social, but social can get out of hand if you have a squad of guys that goof off just too much.

So why don't you get the K gun?

PJR · August 3, 2012, 08:06 AM

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I hear what you are saying. The thing about skeet is it is more social, but social can get out of hand if you have a squad of guys that goof off just too much.

I've found sporting clays more social than skeet which is another reason I prefer it. I agree with Slugo on the merits of skeet. I used to shoot it often but now use it as sporting clays practice if I'm having a gun mount or other issue.

Skeet targets can be hit as well with a 20 gauge or even a 28 but should the aspiring skeet shooter discover that sporting clays is more fun then he'll definitely want a 12 gauge.

oneounceload · August 3, 2012, 09:52 AM

It is the complete variety of sporting that draws me to it - no two courses are the same, and even the same course changes things around regularly, keeping you guessing and trying to figure out the targets

zippy13 · August 3, 2012, 10:49 AM

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The three o/us you mentioned all have mechanical triggers which are better when using subgauge tubes.

I'm not sure what you mean by better. I prefer the more precise pull of inertia triggers over mechanicals. Think of it this way: some energy is required to set-up the second sear. With mechanicals, the energy is captured during the first trigger pull. With inertia triggers, the recoil provides that energy after the trigger is pulled. If you could drop out a Browning or K-80 trigger and compare it to a Perazzi trigger unit, you'd see how many more parts are required to make a mechanical trigger work. I shot mechanical trigger O/Us for 18-years before I went to inertia guns and I'll never go back.

Yes, there is an issue of sub-gauge shells not setting the second trigger of a 12-ga inertia gun. This problem is easily solved by changing the inertia block when you get tubes. I've never had a problem setting the second trigger shooting sub-gauge loads in any of my tubed Perazzis.

PJR · August 3, 2012, 11:48 AM

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I'm not sure what you mean by better. I prefer the more precise pull of inertia triggers over mechanicals. Think of it this way: some energy is required to set-up the second sear. With mechanicals, the energy is captured during the first trigger pull. With inertia triggers, the recoil provides that energy after the trigger is pulled. If you could drop out a Browning or K-80 trigger and compare it to a Perazzi trigger unit, you'd see how many more parts are required to make a mechanical trigger work. I shot mechanical trigger O/Us for 18-years before I went to inertia guns and I'll never go back.

Yes, there is an issue of sub-gauge shells not setting the second trigger of a 12-ga inertia gun. This problem is easily solved by changing the inertia block when you get tubes. I've never had a problem setting the second trigger shooting sub-gauge loads in any of my tubed Perazzis.

I've owned and shot both mechanical and inertia triggers including Krieghoff and Perazzi. There is no question the mechanical is more complicated particularly on the K-guns and the P-gun trigger is very simple and reliable. Between the two I believe the Krieghoff has a slightly better trigger pull and is the one thing I missed when I went to the Perazzi.

The mechanicals are IMO better for subgauges because they can be used as they come from the factory. It is possible to swap the inertia block on a Perazzi but that might not be a task that every shooter is up to and would need a gunsmith to do the job.

zippy13 · August 3, 2012, 01:40 PM

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It is possible to swap the inertia block on a Perazzi but that might not be a task that every shooter is up to and would need a gunsmith to do the job.

Briley did mine when they fitted the tubes. Plus, Perazzi prices trigger parts like they were made of gold.

Method · August 4, 2012, 06:40 PM

Recently I've been looking at a skeet combo (includes sub-gauge barrels) from Caesar Guerini. They specifically adjust their inertia trigger to be compatible with the smaller gauges, and the company seems to have a good reputation. Plus...it allows me to get a world-class skeet gun at a price much lower than a Kolar or Krieghoff. The Blaser F-3 is another option. I've seen full skeet sets for less than $10k.

July 29, 2012, 06:20 AM	#1
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 938	I would dump 'em all for this one... everyone of us has that special gun that will always have a place in our cranium, the K-20 sporter is mine! how about the rest of you jokers... __________________ *"Sometimes the search is most of the fun!" - BigJimP*

July 29, 2012, 12:46 PM	#4
Drummer101 Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 888	I am actually not really a fan of it with the hole in the receiver and the little tab in front of the trigger... __________________ ""I would say that we have to make up criteria." OK, which is better for 2 Bantu, 5 Hottentots, and 3 pygmies playing a war march on a calliope at 3 a.m. during a monsoon? Show your work and round to the nearest decimal."-Mike Irwin

July 30, 2012, 10:25 AM	#8
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 938	good conversation guys. I'm thinking that I still enjoy shooting subgauge guns more so than the standard 12, even though I sprung for a new 725. The 20 anything is my all time favorite gauge. That's why I spent the last six months hunting down an LT-20. Also because the LT-20 was built on Remington's 28 gauge frame. This is why the K-20 is my holy grail, but one I will only dream about... __________________ *"Sometimes the search is most of the fun!" - BigJimP*

August 1, 2012, 09:48 AM	#11
Slugo Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 938	PJR, I don't shoot skeet. To me it's the most boring shotgun sport. I'm sporting clays all the way with a little trap thrown in for good measure. Skeet is way to repetitious to keep me interested. But, I can shoot skeet with a 20 just as effectively as with any 12... __________________ *"Sometimes the search is most of the fun!" - BigJimP*

July 29, 2012, 07:40 AM	#2
PJR Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2000 Posts: 1,129	Mine was a 32" Perazzi MX8-28 gauge.

July 29, 2012, 12:08 PM	#3
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 9,962	Krieghoff K-80 ....with a Trap comb ...and 30" barrels would be my personal choice ..and a carrier barrel ...and a full set of full length tubes in 20ga, 28ga and .410 .... I wouldn't get ridiculous ...but I'd want some upgraded engraving on the receiver...and an upgrade on the wood for the stock and the forend. but nothing wrong with the K-20 either...

July 29, 2012, 01:21 PM	#5
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,707	Slugo, I've shot one... Very nice gun!!!

July 30, 2012, 12:19 AM	#6
Method Member Join Date: July 6, 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 43	Something I've noticed...on the skeet field most top shooters are using a Kreighoff, Kolar, Blaser F3, or Remington 1100. When I check out the Olympic trap and skeet shooters, they seem to favor Beretta and Perazzi. Is there a reason that the amateur crowd favors the former and international competitors the latter?

July 30, 2012, 10:13 PM	#9
Method Member Join Date: July 6, 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 43	PJR, You are the man. Thanks for that info. Now I just have to decide if I want to go with a K-80 in the future or a K-20. I've read (and heard from fellow shooters recently) that scores between a 12ga and 20ga are nearly identical, and that most accomplished shooters simply shoot 20 for both doubles and 12ga. If that's the case...perhaps Slugo's K-20 is a better overall value. PS: When I say the future...I mean years of saving up. Man the top-o-the-line equipment can be expensive.

August 1, 2012, 10:31 PM	#12
Bushmaster1313 Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2008 Posts: 196	I actually got my "grail gun" and because the finish on the stock was worn it was not expensive. 1934 Remington 31R (in foreground)

August 3, 2012, 09:52 AM	#15
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	It is the complete variety of sporting that draws me to it - no two courses are the same, and even the same course changes things around regularly, keeping you guessing and trying to figure out the targets

August 4, 2012, 06:40 PM	#19
Method Member Join Date: July 6, 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 43	Recently I've been looking at a skeet combo (includes sub-gauge barrels) from Caesar Guerini. They specifically adjust their inertia trigger to be compatible with the smaller gauges, and the company seems to have a good reputation. Plus...it allows me to get a world-class skeet gun at a price much lower than a Kolar or Krieghoff. The Blaser F-3 is another option. I've seen full skeet sets for less than $10k.