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Old July 23, 2012, 01:57 AM   #1
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Another cc question

I was told at my concealed carry class that we could conceal carry into any building as long as it didnt have a 30.06 sign or 51% sign and the 30.06 sign has to mention 30.06 law be in Spanish and English on all entrances at least 1" print and in contrasting colors. Also the federal stuff I.e banks post offices etc. I've been combing through the chl book and have just seen it mention sign or signs that reasonably come into view


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Old July 23, 2012, 02:33 AM   #2
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1. You didn't ask a question
2. Banks are not federal and are not restricted by state or federal law from concealed carry.
3. You cannot carry into a lot more buildings than just those marked 51%, or 30.06, and post offices. You really need to review your CHL book much more closely. If you really got that information in your CHL class, then you rec'd incorrect information and you really need to study your CHL book.
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Old July 23, 2012, 06:00 PM   #3
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Depends on the State, some do have specific requirements on signage. Normally in states where you can be arrested for having the gun in marked buisnesses. In most states you are not supposed carry in marked buildings but there is no specific penalty for doing so and just a requirement you leave if asked. Federal buildings and post offices are off limits, but in most states banks and other finacial institutions are treated like any other private buisness with no specific ban on CC. 30.06 sounds like a specific statute, if you coulc mention which state you are looking for information for, that would be helpful.
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Old July 24, 2012, 03:04 PM   #4
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Depends on the State, some do have specific requirements on signage. Normally in states where you can be arrested for having the gun in marked buisnesses. In most states you are not supposed carry in marked buildings but there is no specific penalty for doing so and just a requirement you leave if asked. Federal buildings and post offices are off limits, but in most states banks and other finacial institutions are treated like any other private buisness with no specific ban on CC. 30.06 sounds like a specific statute, if you coulc mention which state you are looking for information for, that would be helpful.
It'd be Texas


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Old July 24, 2012, 05:13 PM   #5
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CC 30.06 is a state law that ALLOWS property owners to post their premises against carrying concealed weapons. In order for the posting to carry the force of law, the sign must conform exactly with the requirements set forth in the law. If you really want to know what the requirements are -- read the law, not a handbook that tells you what the author thinks the law says.

The law won't tell you what places are posted with the sign, because that's up to the property owner.

NOTE: This is for Texas. In other states that provide for posting to carry force of law, NOT all of them define the requirements for the signs as precisely as Texas does.
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Old July 24, 2012, 05:59 PM   #6
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I listed the 30.06 section below and part of 30.05 that deals with posting property for criminal tresspass that is mentioned in 30.06. In essence, if the buisness owner wants to inform you via a sign that he does not wish you to carry on his property he needs a sign meeting the requirements of 30.06 posted at the entry so that it can be seen (30.05). However, the owner can also just notify you that they do not allow carry. For a buisness with no or deficient sign, you have to leave if notified otherwise you are tresspassing, for a buisness with a legally worded, constructed, and posted sign you are quilty of tresspass when you enter the property with the gun.

With todays internet, most laws can be quickly looked up and in most states read. There are always issues of what the law actually means, sometimes even when clearly worded, which is why we have courts and lawyers. I am not a lawyer and just looked up the wording for you and did a short summary.

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§ 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED
HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of
Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another
without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder
with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed
handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice
if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to
act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written
communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Entry" has the meaning assigned by Section
30.05(b).
(2) "License holder" has the meaning assigned by
Section 46.035(f).
(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written
language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06,
Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this
property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by
Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with
block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner
clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section
that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is
owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or
other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying
the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261, § 23, eff. Sept. 1,
1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 9.24, eff.
Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1178, § 2, eff. Sept. 1,
2003.
Quote:
§ 30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he enters or remains on or in property, including an
aircraft or other vehicle, of another without effective consent or
he enters or remains in a building of another without effective
consent and he:.....

(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) "Entry" means the intrusion of the entire body.
(2) "Notice" means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or
someone with apparent authority to act for the owner;
...
(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at
the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the
attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden;
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Old July 24, 2012, 08:40 PM   #7
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Plus any place where you are told by a representative of the business/property that you are not allowed to carry then becomes a place where you can't carry. They don't need a sign.

s.t.d.I, you still haven't asked a question.
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Old July 24, 2012, 09:21 PM   #8
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The pictures in this link show you what they look like...

http://www.practicaltacticaltraining...as-sign-guide/

In my experience, the 51% sign can be trickier to spot, because it's much smaller and is sometimes mingled with other clutter such as the chalkboard advertising the drink specials, posters for upcoming live music acts, pictures of happy patrons, etc.
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