UN Treaty

Inspector3711 · July 11, 2012, 03:55 PM

So what do y'all think about the UN treaty that's being worked on this month. According to a couple of news sites, it's proposed that American gun owner records be made available to foreign governments....

**tyme** · July 11, 2012, 03:57 PM

Is this reciprocal? Apparently Iran is one of the countries involved in this treaty. Do we get the names of Iranians working on their nuclear weapons?

Botswana · July 11, 2012, 03:59 PM

I'm not going to get all twitterpated just yet.

Rumor has it that Obama will sign it, but if I recall correctly (and I rarely do), 2/3 of the Senate will have to approve it before the treaty will be binding. Good luck with that. Republicans won't support it and Democrats are running scared on gun control.

On the other hand, if Obama signs it, it will show how completely out of touch he truly is. He's got enough of an image problem and I would think that giving more, no pun intended, ammunition to his opposition with absolutely no gain for himself is beyond foolish. In fact, it would be an extremely ignorant act for someone trying to get re-elected.

carguychris · July 11, 2012, 04:10 PM

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Rumor has it that Obama will sign it, but if I recall correctly (and I rarely do), 2/3 of the Senate will have to approve it before the treaty will be binding. Good luck with that.

+1.

Google "League of Nations" for an education about what happens when a President expends serious political capital pushing a major treaty that has little Senate support.
It's a common tactic for US presidents to gain political brownie points with their base by expressing wishy-washy conditional support for legislation or treaties that have little chance of passage.
Keep in mind that the UN is highly dysfunctional, and many controversial treaty processes have been hijacked by small nations who are not really interested in creating a working treaty; they're often more interested in humiliating a large country like the USA, Russia, or China for short-term domestic political gain. If this happens, this gives the President an excuse to withdraw the above-mentioned wishy-washy conditional support.

mehavey · July 11, 2012, 04:29 PM

-1

>"The Constitution did not explicitly give me power to bring about the
> necessary agreement with Santo Domingo. But the Constitution did
> not forbid my doing what I did. I put the agreement into effect, and
> I continued its execution for two years before the Senate acted; and
> I would have continued it until the end of my term, if necessary,..."
Theodore Roosevelt

to which I wrly add: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
Life of Reason I ~ GS

HarrySchell · July 11, 2012, 04:34 PM

In fact Iran is chairing the UN meeting to finish up this "treaty" for signature.

I've lost the cite but generally the meeting sounds like a Star Wars Bar Scene of anti-gun enthusiasts. The wording is likely to resemble ObamaCare in its clarity and directness. That is good news. Australia is funding 35 attendees from small countries too poor to send reps, and is a major booster of the treaty. Ammunition and parts were not included as of last week.

Hillary is very enthused about the treaty but says 2A is safe. Like "fair", "safe" has a lot of definitions.

The Senate must ratify it to bind the US, but who knows what Obama might try to get away with via EO or quiet directives to ATF.

Perhaps the treaty will prove unworkable for its own weight and elegance.

mete · July 11, 2012, 04:45 PM

One of the people behind this is George Soros !! $$$$ Using his billlions to support far,far left causes.

**Brian Pfleuger** · July 11, 2012, 04:57 PM

Two things:

1) There are no "American Gun Owner Records"

2) This treaty has been discussed, like, 5,738,938 times....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/sear...archid=6241629

July 11, 2012, 03:55 PM	#1
Inspector3711 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2008 Location: Puget Sound Washington Posts: 1,514	UN Treaty So what do y'all think about the UN treaty that's being worked on this month. According to a couple of news sites, it's proposed that American gun owner records be made available to foreign governments.... __________________ "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Llama (5/15/01, The Seattle Times) "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell

July 11, 2012, 03:57 PM	#2
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Location: Novalis 978-0553586251 Posts: 3,002	Is this reciprocal? Apparently Iran is one of the countries involved in this treaty. Do we get the names of Iranians working on their nuclear weapons? __________________ Proud reseller of little geisha dolls with big heads that wobble. "Want to keep guns out of the hands of felons? Make fewer felons in the first place." --Vanya

July 11, 2012, 04:34 PM	#6
HarrySchell Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2007 Location: South CA Posts: 505	In fact Iran is chairing the UN meeting to finish up this "treaty" for signature. I've lost the cite but generally the meeting sounds like a Star Wars Bar Scene of anti-gun enthusiasts. The wording is likely to resemble ObamaCare in its clarity and directness. That is good news. Australia is funding 35 attendees from small countries too poor to send reps, and is a major booster of the treaty. Ammunition and parts were not included as of last week. Hillary is very enthused about the treaty but says 2A is safe. Like "fair", "safe" has a lot of definitions. The Senate must ratify it to bind the US, but who knows what Obama might try to get away with via EO or quiet directives to ATF. Perhaps the treaty will prove unworkable for its own weight and elegance. __________________ Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. — Mark Twain

July 11, 2012, 04:45 PM	#7
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 4,940	One of the people behind this is George Soros !! $$$$ Using his billlions to support far,far left causes. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

July 11, 2012, 04:57 PM	#8
Brian Pfleuger Staff Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Central, Southern NY, USA Posts: 14,523	Two things: 1) There are no "American Gun Owner Records" 2) This treaty has been discussed, like, 5,738,938 times.... http://thefiringline.com/forums/sear...archid=6241629 __________________ Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza. --- You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul. You HAVE a body. -C.S. Lewis He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose. -Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.

July 11, 2012, 03:59 PM	#3
Botswana Senior Member Join Date: July 4, 2012 Posts: 203	I'm not going to get all twitterpated just yet. Rumor has it that Obama will sign it, but if I recall correctly (and I rarely do), 2/3 of the Senate will have to approve it before the treaty will be binding. Good luck with that. Republicans won't support it and Democrats are running scared on gun control. On the other hand, if Obama signs it, it will show how completely out of touch he truly is. He's got enough of an image problem and I would think that giving more, no pun intended, ammunition to his opposition with absolutely no gain for himself is beyond foolish. In fact, it would be an extremely ignorant act for someone trying to get re-elected.

July 11, 2012, 04:29 PM	#5
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 1,997	-1 >"The Constitution did not explicitly give me power to bring about the > necessary agreement with Santo Domingo. But the Constitution did > not forbid my doing what I did. I put the agreement into effect, and > I continued its execution for two years before the Senate acted; and > I would have continued it until the end of my term, if necessary,..." Theodore Roosevelt to which I wrly add: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" Life of Reason I ~ GS