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Old June 16, 2012, 02:14 PM   #1
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Mother Jones magazine biased against RKBA

Very interesting and enlightening article in the July/August issue of Mother Jones magazine distorting RKBA, Self Defense Laws, NRA, Florida and even Marion Hammer.

Titled “License To Kill” in the print magazine.

Different title but same article online:
“How the NRA and Its Allies Helped Spread a Radical Gun Law Nationwide”

Full article here:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nd-your-ground

If you want to respond to the article and send an e-mail letter to editor - go to bottom of webpage and click “Contact Us”
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Old June 16, 2012, 03:23 PM   #2
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No surprise there.
If the folks at that magazine were any more left leaning, they'd fall over.
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Old June 16, 2012, 03:30 PM   #3
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Old June 16, 2012, 04:39 PM   #4
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No surprise there, they hate my 383 small block Chevy engine as well.
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Old June 16, 2012, 08:48 PM   #5
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It's Mother Jones.

I mean, really. Has nobody here actually read it before? They once ran an article suggesting that people who failed to recycle should have their children taken away.

We're not going to find a sympathetic voice there. Furthermore, their readership have already made up their minds, and the article is simply preaching to the choir.
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Old June 16, 2012, 10:39 PM   #6
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Too bad I'm not a subscriber so I could terminate my subscription.

But then, I don't know any subscribers, AFAIK.
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Old June 16, 2012, 10:56 PM   #7
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Old June 16, 2012, 11:10 PM   #8
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They certainly did a real service to their reading public who live in rural areas with limited police forces and long response times, now didn't they?
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Old June 17, 2012, 12:48 AM   #9
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They certainly did a real service to their reading public who live in rural areas with limited police forces and long response times, now didn't they?
I can't say that rural people would be any more or any less affected by the article as city people. While city response times may be less than rural response times, the city response times are usually sufficiently long that the cops usually arrive well after the problem ran its course.

I also don't see where this was a service or disservice to its readers. It is a political commentary, biased, but still juse a commentary. I can't see where the article would cause people's decisions two own or have guns be changed. Those that don't have guns will continue to not have guns. Those with guns will continue to have guns.
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Old June 17, 2012, 10:24 AM   #10
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A particularly subtle omission was the part about justifiable homicides increasing since the passage of stand your ground laws without mentioning anything about the increase, decrease, or lack of change in the rate of violent crime in general. What the author of this article conveniently ignores is that, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, violent crime has decreased significantly since 2005 and, as of 2011, is at a 20 year low in the state. Since 2005 when SYG was passed in Florida, the total number of violent crimes has decreased by 17.4% and the rate of violent crime per 100,000 people has decreased by 15.3%.

Justifiable Homicide, by definition, is not a crime. What has actually happened in Florida is that cases of lawful self-defense have increased while the violent crime rate has dropped. The author of this article cannot help but bring up the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident (it's mentioned within the very first sentence of the article) in an attempt to paint justifiable homicides as people who are getting away with murder. It is however, an unconvincing argument since the author provides absolutely no evidence that the majority, or even a significant number, of the justified homicides in Florida are anything but what they've been legally determined to be: genuine cases of self-defense (even the Martin/Zimmerman incident cannot be classified as an unjustified homicide at this point as it has not yet gone to trial).

Then again, none of this is particularly surprising considering the source. As others have pointed out, Mother Jones is not known for being a beacon of unbiased reporting and SYG, and RKBA in general for that matter, simply does not fit their political ideology. Even if one had never encountered that publication before, the plethora of advertisements for left-wing figures and causes on their website is what a detective would call a clue.
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Old June 17, 2012, 02:36 PM   #11
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Obviously rural people are supposed to have a campfire and a drum circle and sing koombaya with the people who want to kill them.

Haven't we learn by now that love and drumming solves all problems?
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Old June 17, 2012, 03:48 PM   #12
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No surprise there, they hate my 383 small block Chevy engine as well.
They hate guns, and Chevy small blocks? I don't understand why some people just don't move to France.
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Old June 17, 2012, 04:01 PM   #13
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Some people would if they only had the bus fare out of town.

Why don't you sue them for their opinion?
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Old June 17, 2012, 04:27 PM   #14
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I'll just take 3 extra large gulps of the Kool-Aid.
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Old June 17, 2012, 07:34 PM   #15
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Haven't we learn by now that love and drumming solves all problems?
It does if Neal Peart's doing the drumming. Otherwise, it's just bad hygiene and granola.

If I allowed myself to get all huffy every time a niche publication ran an anti-gun article, my blood pressure would be off the charts. They've got their audience, and they're pandering to them.

If this were on the front page of a major newspaper, I might be concerned. Otherwise, live and let live ignorant, man.
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Old June 17, 2012, 09:49 PM   #16
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If I allowed myself to get all huffy every time a niche publication ran an anti-gun article, my blood pressure would be off the charts. They've got their audience, and they're pandering to them.
Its about preaching to the Mother Jones choir, nothing more. A personal note: Both my sisters belong to that choir.
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Old June 17, 2012, 11:31 PM   #17
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I don't have a problem with the article. I'd say the charts speak for themselves.
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Old June 18, 2012, 09:42 AM   #18
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From their headline banner today:

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I mean I'm just saying....

totally shocked.....

From the article

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Do the laws have a disparate negative effect on minorities or juveniles? And, perhaps the simplest question: "Is it worth losing a life over a car radio?"

That's happened, too. In Miami, a man was granted immunity in March for chasing down a burglar and stabbing him after the thief swung a bag of stolen car radios at him. He "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property," the judge ruled. A state attorney for Miami-Dade County disagreed: "She, in effect, is saying that it's appropriate to chase someone down with a knife to get property back."
Not sure what the NRA has to do with stabbings but ok.... and how would a self defense law cause harm to minorities? They fail to provide an explanation of that altogether.

Also I was unaware that Florida had lowered the age to 17 for permits for military members. This is excellent news and long overdue.
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Old June 21, 2012, 08:26 AM   #19
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Consider the source; Average Mother Jones reader response: Cool man pass the Doobie
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Old June 21, 2012, 10:58 AM   #20
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If this were on the front page of a major newspaper
The front page of a major newspaper is the modern-day equivalent of Page D44 of your local Classifieds these days. Which gives you a good idea of where Mother Jones is on that scale...
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Old June 21, 2012, 11:17 AM   #21
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Hello Crazy88Fingers,,,

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No surprise there, they hate my 383 small block Chevy engine as well.
Wasn't the 383 a Chrysler engine?

That's what was in my 1968 Plymouth Road Runner.

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Old June 21, 2012, 11:30 AM   #22
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Wasn't the 383 a Chrysler engine?
Yah, had one in a '61 Dodge. GM's was/is a stroked 350.

Don't know what MJ has against the Chevy 383.

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To keep it gun-related, I've got a couple of guns I'd trade for either a Chevy or Mopar 383 .

Any takers?

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Old June 21, 2012, 11:42 AM   #23
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Heading for a close - this ain't the OldCarandGeezer Forum.

Want to be back on topic on how they don't like guns? Say it another way?

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Old June 21, 2012, 12:42 PM   #24
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Okay, how about:

How come the author (reporter?) Alan Weinstein can glibly mention that the Florida law was enacted in 2005, followed by the graphic of the spread of similar legislation, without even mentioning, let alone explaining, why it took seven years for something to happen newsworthy enough for this screed?

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Old June 21, 2012, 01:05 PM   #25
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Heck, according to the graphic, SYG started in Florida, and Arkansas doesn't even have an SYG law. . .

(Hint: we've had it since well before 2005.)
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