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Old June 19, 2012, 07:46 AM   #1
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Anti-gun range protest a bust

Here is an inspiring civil rights story! Near Detroit, Jesse Jackson called for a protest against a local gun shop located on Eight Mile Road. Jackson argued that the gun shop was driving jobs out of Detroit by facilitating violence. Jackson planned the protest for Father's Day.

On the day of the protest, exactly 3 people showed up to represent the forces of gun control (Jackson himself being absent). However, it wasn't a total bust as a multi-cultural, multi-gender crowd of 50 showed up to support the gun range.

Rick Ector tells the story here: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/06/18/j...#axzz1yClMw4Zr
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Old June 19, 2012, 09:16 AM   #2
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Good news. I wonder why I didn't see it on my local news.
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Old June 19, 2012, 10:35 AM   #3
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Jackson himself being absent
There were news cameras, and Jackson wasn't there? That's truly odd.

The anti-gun movement just ain't what it used to be. Poor little guys.
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Old June 19, 2012, 05:59 PM   #4
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What's most ironic about all of this is that many of the gun control laws which Jackson and his ilk demand are little more than recycled Jim Crow laws which were originally intended to keep people of color disarmed and helpless at the hands of their white oppressors in the old south. I'm not sure whether Jackson is too historically uninformed to know this or simply too politically motivated to care, but that really doesn't matter. Over the last 10-15 years, Jackson has increasingly shown his true colors: he doesn't really give a rodent's posterior about the "plight of the black man" but rather about what he must do in order to retain fame, power, and people willing to write him a check. Because of this, Jackson's opinion on pretty much anything doesn't hold much weight with me.
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Old June 19, 2012, 07:44 PM   #5
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It's also ironic (but expected) that he doesn't try tackling the actual issue where the problem is, which may make him an actual hero if he were successful. Instead he's a nearly ineffectual pot-stirrer. The problem ain't guns, but then again Jesse knows that
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Old June 20, 2012, 07:05 AM   #6
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Jackson is no longer relevant.
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Old June 20, 2012, 07:17 AM   #7
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The anti-gun movement just ain't what it used to be. Poor little guys
And I am very glad for that.
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Old June 21, 2012, 07:54 AM   #8
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I mentioned in another thread that, when I was working at NRA 20 years ago, I TRULY feared for the future of gun rights in this country.

Brady, the "Assault" Weapons ban, the seeming growing power of the anti-gun movement in the country with the Million Moms and other organizations, it was all seeming to coalesce for them.

Then it all went to hell for them and start going our way.

I've thought about it many times over the years, but I have never been able to positively identify exactly where the turning point was, or what really caused what I've started calling "The Great Gun Rights Awakening" (apologies, Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfield).

Maybe there really wasn't one.
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Old June 21, 2012, 11:01 AM   #9
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I've thought about it many times over the years, but I have never been able to positively identify exactly where the turning point was, or what really caused what I've started calling "The Great Gun Rights Awakening" (apologies, Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfield).
*cough* Internet *cough*

Look back at the discussions here around Columbine... much different mentality; but I think being able to talk to other gun owners (and non-gun owners) directly and broadcast a message around the media filters at the time made a HUGE difference.
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Old June 21, 2012, 12:24 PM   #10
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LOL, Good one Tom!

Let's hope it stays that way. Loved the article in the Washington Times last Monday.
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Old June 21, 2012, 09:18 PM   #11
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Let's hope it stays that way.
Oh, it looks like it's getting worse as time goes by. I remember when they had the money and clout to make the NRA blink.

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I don't think it was any one thing. Part of it was (belated) backlash against the Assault Weapons Ban, which got public attention. Part of it was the wave of widespread concealed-carry legislation.

Part of it was a change in the way many in the legal and academic cultures saw the 2nd Amendment. I think the Heller decision was very indicitive of that.

I was surprised when, during a Republican Presidential debate in 2008, the question of whether or not prospective candidates owned guns was given real weight.
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Old June 21, 2012, 09:44 PM   #12
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Looking at the link that Tom Servo posted, it seems that the Brady's began crashing and burning between 2000 and 2002. While it's unfortunate that it took such an event, I really think that 9/11 was probably the turning point. The reason, I think, is two-fold. First and foremost, I think that event served as something of a wake-up call for many and made them realize that, despite any gun control measure, we simply cannot legislate our way to safety and security. Suddenly, the worry-free little bubble was burst and owning and carrying a gun became a very comforting thing in a scary and uncertain world.

Likewise, national security and foreign policy jumped way up on the list of most people's priorities and thus gun control saw its face time drastically reduced. It seems that after 9/11, many of the driving politicians behind the gun control movement suddenly found themselves with other, more pressing matters as their constituents became more worried about the other aforementioned issues.
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Old June 21, 2012, 10:15 PM   #13
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I think that event served as something of a wake-up call for many and made them realize that, despite any gun control measure, we simply cannot legislate our way to safety and security.
I didn't really see people acting that way. Gun sales went up a tick, but not nearly what they did in the leadup to Y2K (NWO! ZOG!).

It was somewhat enheartening to see Al Gore's support for gun control come back to bite him in Florida in 2000, and I wonder if that wasn't a waypoint as well.
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Old June 22, 2012, 09:15 AM   #14
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Tom, just for the record, the reason that Y2K was a non-event was that there was all the IT staff plus consulting companies across the country working very had to make it a non-event. I ran a crew of a bunch of people working on some big money software at a large bank. Let me assure you, that had the folks not done this, there would have been massive problems, more than you could imagine. The software that controls all the money movement, calculations, banking etc in this country would have failed due to date calculation being wrong.

I started writing software around 1985 and the stuff we were doing wasn't supposed to last as long as it did. In fact, 12 years later, some of those IT systems are still running.

But is was good for the gun industry ! as you said.....

Just like the movie Quigley Down Under with Tom Selleck is good for the companies that make Sharps rifles reproductions. Every time that movie airs on TV, a bunch more of the "Quigley model" get sold. When that movie came out, it put the company that actually made the gun(s) for the movie into a 4 year backlog.

There are lots of events that either trigger Pro or Con reactions nowadays, due to the nature of the people in our country and our unique situation with our Constitution.

Lets hope for and contribute to the positive direction that it is going.
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Old June 22, 2012, 09:25 AM   #15
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The antis are still out there, but since Gore's defeat they learned to keep a lower profile. They getting feisty again and will be out in force if their man wins in Nov. (but let's not make this a presidential reality show thread please).
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Old June 22, 2012, 10:35 AM   #16
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Jesse has pulled this stunt many times. He did the same thing to a gunshop near Chicago. His mind is incapable of understanding that gun ownership is not an inducement to violence.
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Old June 22, 2012, 10:46 AM   #17
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I see the internet as being a valuable supplement, but not the lynchpin to the change.
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Old June 22, 2012, 12:49 PM   #18
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Jackson is no longer relevant.
Never believe that for a moment. Jackson may personally be less relevant, however, those like him - Sharpton, Flager, Rahm...etc will always blame the gun for the world's ilks to support their agenda.
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Old June 22, 2012, 02:27 PM   #19
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The same shop in the Gold Coast or Lincoln Park neighborhoods wouldn't have lasted a second. NIMBY only works when the back yard in question has lots of money.

I have never feared for gun rights, there's too much money being made.
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Old June 22, 2012, 03:40 PM   #20
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I think its good that inroads have been made, and that more people seem to be waking up. Call me a skeptic though because while it may seem that gunowners are winning, isn't that a red flag of sorts?

I think that passing ccw laws all over, while on its face may seem to strengthen the country somewhat actually drew a pretty big line with gunowners on one side. Whats that saying? Something about if your battle goes too well then you're prolly walking into a setup? This rash of permits nationwide may be the governments way of organizing and identifying gun owners for future iron fist operations.

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Old June 22, 2012, 03:55 PM   #21
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I agree, but not entirely for the stated reasons. 9/11 was a major wakeup call for those who believed that if we were unoffensive and unarmed, that we would be left alone. All of a sudden pacifism was seen as a path to destruction, not a path to moral superiority.
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Old June 22, 2012, 05:51 PM   #22
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I disagree.

The whole anti-gun movement was built upon a mountain of lies supported by hyperbole. When the lights started to come on in the mid 90s and people began to figure out they had been lied to for years there was no where for the anti-gun movement to go. As more and more people started to figure it out it grew more. The media machines were left reeling and viewed as untrustworthy and have never recovered. The internet is now the primary source of news for most people.

I honestly believe that boards like this one with rational, frank and honest discourse played a huge role in educating people who wanted to be educated. Do not down play your own role. Educating thousands and thousands has been a significant contribution. You will never know how many people may have read a few things here and gone on to set someone else straight. Don't expect any public awards or rewards either, sometimes satisfaction is the best reward.

I also believe that Charlton Heston played a huge role too. As a civil rights activist who maintained his convictions while the country changed around him his stance caught a lot of the left completely off guard. His class and grace convinced a lot of people that gun owners were not all crazy for wanting to keep their guns. He also took away the shame that the left had tried for years to imbue into gun owners with their crazy lies and assertions. His in your face activism made the anti movement quake and left their agents such as Michael Moore looking quite hapless.
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I agree, but not entirely for the stated reasons. 9/11 was a major wakeup call for those who believed that if we were unoffensive and unarmed, that we would be left alone. All of a sudden pacifism was seen as a path to destruction, not a path to moral superiority.
I absolute believe this to be true. The facade of being 'safe' (and being able to make your world safe via legislation) was destroyed for a lot of folk on 9/11. Unlike local crime, the terrorist threat could not be addressed by the usual social engineering platitudes and remedies. I know of many folk that suddenly came to grok things in ways that they had never done before.
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Old June 22, 2012, 06:18 PM   #24
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Father's Day? Now that is something Jesse Jackson is well acquainted with.
If he was a real man he would acknowledge that fatherless is behind much of the gun violence problem.
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Old June 22, 2012, 06:37 PM   #25
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1994 and the republicans taking control of the US House of Rep. for the first time in like 40 years or so. The reason? The assault weapons ban. Bill Clinton admitted that many of his democratic congressmen lost their seats as a result of voting for the ban. This was the wake up call that the federal govt. was indeed going to ban a whole new class of firearms. Also, the underhanded way they went about it probably had something to do with it. We saw our own government misleading and creating confusion over semi auto vs. full auto so that they could ban semi autos. The american people seem to get the hair up on our backs when the federal government lies to us in an attemp to fool us. That doesn't seem to always sit too well.
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