The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Hunt

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 14, 2012, 03:54 PM   #1
171raven
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 14, 2012
Posts: 12
my first hunting rifle

I am soon going to be getting my first hunting rifle but i dont know what cal I need. Im looking for somthing that I can use to hunt coyotes up to black bear(as is right now i cant afford more than one rifle) but wont be to much over kill for a yote. I also want a realativly inexpencive cal. Any advice would be extremly helpful, thankyou.
171raven is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 03:56 PM   #2
Saltydog235
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2010
Location: Pawleys Island
Posts: 1,113
30'06, 308, 280, 270, 7mm08, 243, 25'06. Welcome to a fun delimma to have.
Saltydog235 is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 04:53 PM   #3
603Country
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 6, 2011
Location: Thornton, Texas
Posts: 2,249
Saltydog said it well. Of the calibers he mentioned, I'd be inclined to go with the 270 or the 7mm-08 and avoid the 243 (seems a bit light to me, but I'm not a bear hunter), but they'll all do just fine. Have fun with the gun and caliber selection.
603Country is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 05:23 PM   #4
AllenJ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 11, 2009
Location: Northern California
Posts: 1,273
Hard to beat the 30/06 for an all around cartridge although many believe the 270 does. Ammo is easy to find and usually reasonably priced for both.
AllenJ is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 05:38 PM   #5
tchunter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Location: Decatur, MI
Posts: 113
I would go with the .30-06. You can find ammo anywhere, you can find cheap ammo and you have a ton of options for what grain bullet to shoot.
tchunter is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 05:45 PM   #6
tchunter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Location: Decatur, MI
Posts: 113
By the way, .25-06 is by far my favorite cal. But the ammo is a lot more expensive than the .30-06
tchunter is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 06:13 PM   #7
big al hunter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 12, 2011
Location: Washington state
Posts: 933
Any cartridge from 243 win up to 30-06 sprg will work for all that you mentioned. (I don't believe there is such a thing as overkill for yote, unless you want the pelt) If you want the pelt use heavy for caliber bullets and they should pass through with less exit damage. For bear use the heaviest bullet for 243 and the mid range for 30-06. If a bullet/cartridge combo is good for deer it will perform as well on bear. I would not hesitate to use my 243 on bear. Bullet placement and construction is more important than cartridge choice. All the choices listed so far will work well but the 30-06 will have the most available ammo and more firearms chambered in it. Every major manufacturer in the world has 30-06 as an option. Tough decision. Save more money and buy 2 rifles then you can have twice as much fun deciding.
__________________
You can't fix stupid....however ignorance can be cured through education!
big al hunter is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 07:33 PM   #8
roberto mervicini
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 6, 2007
Location: Laval, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 151
6.5x55 Swedish, 7x57 Mauser and .270 Win. anyone of this 3 cartridges would be my choice if limited only to one rifle, for yote, deer and blacky.
Low recoil, not burning a large volume of powder and good performance on small medium and larger game also.
roberto mervicini is offline  
Old May 14, 2012, 09:44 PM   #9
Buzzcook
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 29, 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 5,619
What the rifle is chambered in, isn't really that important. Any of the standard cartridges from .243 up to .30-06 will kill varmints and black bear.

Start searching the used gun racks, trying things on for size.
If the gun comes to your shoulder easily and you get a good cheek weld without squirming around, then the rifle fits.

For most of the day a rifle is a dead weight. Getting one that weighs a ton is not a good idea. The other side of that is that the heavier the rifle the less felt recoil.
Hunting often involves walking through woods or brush. So a shorter rifle tends to be a better choice. The exception is when you spend your time sitting in a blind waiting for Bambi to walk by. Then a long barrel isn't a problem.

My rifle is a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06. I've never had a problem with it that wasn't my fault.
Buzzcook is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 06:35 AM   #10
BoogieMan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 4, 2012
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 1,274
30-06 is arguably the most common and versatile cartridge available. Lots of great choices but on a budget for one rifle you cant go wrong.
Dont be afraid to check out pump rifles Rem 7600.
__________________
Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it.
Milton Freidman
BoogieMan is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 07:02 AM   #11
Citadel99
Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 79
My first was a 7-08 and it's a great flat shooting rifle. It is a Rem 700 and I just updated the trigger to a Jewell twenty years after I got it. Feel like I have a new rifle!

Mark
Citadel99 is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 07:13 AM   #12
twins
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 1, 2010
Posts: 393
OP wrote:
Quote:
I also want a relatively inexpensive caliber.
(changed for spelling sake)

For cheapest ammo, your options = 30/06 or .270

If I could return to day 1 of my hunting rifle search, I would go with a 7mm-08. It's like owning a sleeper car that could easily run with the big boys.
twins is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 07:51 AM   #13
PA Hunter37
Member
 
Join Date: January 30, 2012
Location: Currently in Virginia
Posts: 34
I have a .270, 6.5x55 Swedish, .300 win mag and .50 muzzle loader. I've used all of them for deer and bear. Don't recommend the .300 win mag for deer as it's a bit much and more expensive. For what you want I would use my Swedish or .270 but based on ammo availability and price I would recommend the .270. As far as felt recoil with the larger calibers, I personally don't feel it when the adreline is going during the shot. I guess it all depends on how excited you get when you see your target.
__________________
There aren't too many problems that can't be solved with either a quick mind or good aim.
PA Hunter37 is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 09:08 AM   #14
huntinaz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 21, 2010
Location: az
Posts: 997
Quote:
For cheapest ammo, your options = 30/06 or .270
I guess I'd add .243 and .308 to that.

7mm-08 is a sweet cartridge in my opinion. I'm not a bear hunter, but I'm told 243 is plenty.
__________________
"Once you quit hearing sir and ma'am, the rest is soon to follow." - Cormack McCarthy
"Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy
huntinaz is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 01:00 PM   #15
Saltydog235
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2010
Location: Pawleys Island
Posts: 1,113
7mm08 is by far my favorite of all listed. Next would be the .243, then the '06 or 308. The 270 is a great round, just serves no purpose for me as a handloader when I load for 7mm08, 280 and 7mmMag.
Saltydog235 is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 01:54 PM   #16
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,605
"Inexpensive" is pretty limiting. I have great fondness for many of the cartridges listed by others, above. However, when ammo cost is a factor, the popularity of the cartridge is a major factor.

30-06, 270, 243, 308 are all very popular. All will do the job you specify. I am a big fan of the 7-08 but factory ammo tends to be big money for premium hunting rounds.

There are a lot of reasons to choose something like a 7-08 or 30-06 but, all things considered, 243 is hard to beat.
__________________
Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza.
---
The problem, as you so eloquently put it, is choice.
-The Architect
-----
He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose.
-Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old May 15, 2012, 04:59 PM   #17
BigMikey76
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 3, 2011
Location: Bellevue, NE
Posts: 432
For keeping the ammo cheap, the .243 is a good option that won't be "overkill" on yotes. That being said, I don't see anything wrong with making them extra dead. The .308 and '06 options will also do fine with cheap ammo available and far more capability on the upper range if you ever want to take on larger game.

If spending a bit more on ammo is OK, then I would go with 7mm08. Extra punch available for the big critters, but without the recoil of the .30 cals. They do cost a bit more to feed, but a little looking around can score you some reasonable prices. I found some locally for $16.99/box. Not as low as others, but not too oppressively expensive, either.
__________________
“Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.”

A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.
BigMikey76 is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 06:19 AM   #18
Kreyzhorse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 12, 2006
Location: NKY
Posts: 11,478
Lots of great choices and it's really hard to say one is better than the other. From a price and availability stand point, it's hard to beat either a 30.06 or a .308.
__________________
"He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson
Kreyzhorse is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 06:59 AM   #19
hogdogs
Staff In Memoriam
 
Join Date: October 31, 2007
Location: Western Florida panhandle
Posts: 11,071
Personally, I wouldn't set up on one cal. for the range of game you have...

You mention "overkill"... IMHO any .30 bigger than a .30-30 is O-kill on a yote usually... No problem with overkill 'cuz dead is dead and redmist is cool.

But you mention a bit of "penny-wise" sense so if a single shot is not above your ability... The NEF/H&R Handi-Rifle with 2 barrels factory matched right off the bat would cost less than a "mid-shelf" repeater in wood furniture...

If me it would be the .243 and .30-06... But if a repeater and it had to suit bear on down, it would be either a .30-06 or .308 with leanings towards the ought-six...

Brent
hogdogs is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 07:59 AM   #20
Sure Shot Mc Gee
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2012
Posts: 2,031
my first hunting rifle

Quote:
Im looking for somthing that I can use to hunt coyotes up to black bear
All the attention seems to be on everyone's favorite rifle caliber on your thread 171raven. Just a thought. Why not take a look see at T/Cs Encore Rifle. Reason too: you can purchase different caliber barrels for it down the road as you require at a reasonable price. Why lock yourself into a one caliber rifle only if you don't have too would be my question to you. Big decision your about to make. And a tough one too. Good Luck Sir. ___SSMcG

Last edited by Sure Shot Mc Gee; May 17, 2012 at 08:04 AM.
Sure Shot Mc Gee is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 09:39 AM   #21
hooligan1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 18, 2010
Location: Independence Missouri
Posts: 3,266
I also like the multi-barrel types like NEF, Handi-rifle,my son has one in .270 win,(which is accurate) and he's got a .223 barrel for it, along with a 45-70 barrel. He wouldn't hesitate for a millisecond to suit up for any of those critters mentioned. Including scopes on the .270, .223, he has about 800.00 total in all.
__________________
Thanks for coming!
hooligan1 is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 10:05 AM   #22
Wild Bill Bucks
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2005
Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch
Posts: 1,264
171,

If you are going to be shooting a LOT, you will probably want to get into loading your own rounds. I have been doing this for years with the .308. I can load 110 grain rounds for smaller game and 180 grains for larger game. All the other calibers mentioned are good choices, but since we only have a couple of places to buy ammunition here, I got tired of only being able to get a couple of different grain loads with factory ammo, so I started loading my own. Costs about a 3rd of factory, and shoots a lot better in my rifles.

If you are NOT going to be doing anything but hunting with the rifle, then you probably don't want to go into the expense of loading equipment, although it only takes a few boxes of loads to re-coop your investment.
Wild Bill Bucks is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 11:39 AM   #23
warbirdlover
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 13, 2009
Location: central Wisconsin
Posts: 2,324
.270 Win would be my choice. Go into a ballistics program and you'll find it's super flat shooting and ammo is much cheaper and easier to find then most of the other selections other then 30-06 etc.
warbirdlover is offline  
Old May 17, 2012, 01:06 PM   #24
Saltydog235
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2010
Location: Pawleys Island
Posts: 1,113
If you want a .270, save a bit more money and I'll sell you a NIB Sako 75 with rings. That'll last you a lifetime.
Saltydog235 is offline  
Old May 18, 2012, 11:12 AM   #25
CountryUgly
Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2012
Posts: 47
for your criteria the 30-06 would probably fit best but my personal favorite the .270 is a really close second.
CountryUgly is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.14172 seconds with 9 queries