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Old May 21, 2015, 05:34 PM   #1
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Awareness and self defense in home garage

Outstanding example of situational awareness and self defense and self preservation against multiple armed and presumably very dangerous assailants.

The setup. Man comes home at night and pulls in garage. Three (yes 3) thugs follow him into the garage by preventing the overhead garage door from closing. One of them is armed with what appears to be a handgun.

This would have probably been a very bad ending for the homeowner if he wasn't armed. He'd at least have been robbed with lasting psychological issues. Could have been beaten and killed.

Instead, he immediately takes defensive action, and opens fire on the thugs. I watched it a few times and counted 10 shots from the home owner. Quite impressive situational awareness and being armed and ready to defend.

Share with family and friends. Lots of great lessons here:

1. Situational awareness.
2. Being armed and ready. The bad guy gets off at least one shot, so perhaps the homeowner should have fired sooner through his window.
3. High capacity magazines are valuable, especially against several opponents.
4. This reaction likely came from training. Training is very important.
5. He appears to have scored several hits when it mattered against the closest thug.
6. Video evidence is very important. Get those cameras installed. The thugs shot in the back might otherwise have a lawsuit or criminal actions against him.

Not sure how legal it was to continue firing as they were running away and him giving chase outside... but I can't see him being prosecuted for that as the entire event unfolded in seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S7SPrb6oj4
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Old May 21, 2015, 07:04 PM   #2
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that's definitely intense vid. it looks like he knew he was being follow, because once the car drove by the garage he had the wife(or whoever) get back in. he gave chase, but I couldn't see any flashes after the people we're out of the garage. hard to tell, but I think it was handled well. maybe if I had to critique, I would say he could have started shooting before the man opened the driver door, IF he knew he had a gun in his hand AND the driver had his gun ready, but I think the thug could have just walked up and shot through the window. but who knows the actual situation, and if he had time.
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Old May 21, 2015, 07:31 PM   #3
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it looks like he knew he was being follow, because once the car drove by the garage he had the wife(or whoever) get back in.
Good observation. I hadn't noticed he had a passenger because I was fixated on the thugs. So this guy saved not only himself but his passenger from certain harm (especially now seeing the thug's gun was loaded and he was willing to use it).
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Old May 21, 2015, 08:27 PM   #4
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In that close situation if you bring out a gun you better start using it. I suspect the guy saw them on the street and was watching as he pulled in, hoping the door would finish closing.
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Old May 21, 2015, 11:41 PM   #5
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IMO the defender should have been more concerned with securing the scene than in reconnaissance. Once they were routed, covering the door while it closed and locked would have been smart. He actually kept the door from closing and providing security from any possible return.

I noticed he got a little free with his gun muzzle when he returned to the car to check on whoever was inside and retrieve a light.

I was impressed that the guy who approached the car door managed to keep from dropping his gun even after being shot what looked like at least 2 times.

It looked like he returned fire but apparently missed even though the muzzle of his gun couldn't have been more than a foot or two from the defender.
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Old Yesterday, 01:17 AM   #6
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The defender did just fine. Closing the door would have been a dumb thing for him to do since he had just fired his weapon and shot or drove them off. That door is not bullet proof but it sure would have prevented him from seeing if they decided to come back.
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^I agree, I think making sure the guys didn't double back, or go intoo the fron door of the house was a good idea. I'm guessing they left the car, or at least all parties didn't make it to the car
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Old Yesterday, 09:54 AM   #8
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This happened in Brazil, according to the video. So the legalities of shooting as they're running out may be very much different than here.
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Old Yesterday, 10:03 PM   #9
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Closing the door would have been a dumb thing for him to do since he had just fired his weapon and shot or drove them off.
As long as they don't regroup and try to attack again and as long as there aren't more of them waiting outside the door out of sight waiting for him to come out.

Had the door closed between the defender and the attackers in the first place the whole encounter would have been prevented. Hard to see how letting it close between the defender and the attackers after the shooting would be a bad idea.
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That door is not bullet proof but it sure would have prevented him from seeing if they decided to come back.
The door won't stop bullets but it will prevent them from actually aiming at him and it will prevent him from being rushed. He really has no idea for sure how many attackers there are or how they are armed.

If he's worried about them shooting blindly through the door there's really no reason for him to stay in the garage anyway. He could have let the door close and gotten into the house in much less time than it took him to run outside, run back inside for a light, run back outside again and then stand outside looking around in the dark with his light.

The reason I bring it up is because it speaks to mindset. If your goal is defense then you've won as soon as you neutralize the defenders and/or chase them away and secure the area. There's no need to try to figure out where they went or go look outside to see if there are more. As long as they're gone and can't get to you if they try to return things are good. Following them outside to see what they're going to do next needlessly generates a lot of potential for negative outcomes. I think it's easy get caught up in the excitement and forget what the real goal is.
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Watch the gun fight again and tell me if you see any muzzle rise with the shooting. These must have been some pretty small caliber firearms in use.
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Any idea where this happened? I'd like to look for a news story or police report.
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Old Today, 01:37 PM   #12
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Any idea where this happened? I'd like to look for a news story or police report.
I read a translated report which I believe said Brazil and that the armed thug died.
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