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Old April 2, 2013, 02:12 PM   #1
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A disconcerting email from The White House

I just got an email purporting to be from The White House itself. The return address even ends in "whitehouse.gov." The text of the email is as follows:
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Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy and gun violence in our Nation, and I appreciate your perspective. From Aurora to Newtown to the streets of Chicago, we have seen the devastating effects gun violence has on our American family. I join countless others in grieving for all those whose lives have been taken too soon by gun violence.

Like the majority of Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that has been handed down from generation to generation. Hunting and sport shooting are part of our national heritage. Yet, even as we acknowledge that almost all gun owners in America are responsible, when we look at the devastation caused by gun violence—whether in high-profile tragedies or the daily heartbreak that plagues our cities—we must ask ourselves whether we are doing enough.

While reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm should not be a divisive one. Most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. Most also agree that if we took commonsense steps to curtail gun violence, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown. We will not be able to stop every violent act, but if there is even one thing we can do to reduce gun violence—if even one life can be saved—then we have an obligation to try.

That is why I asked Vice President Joe Biden to identify concrete steps we can take to keep our children safe, help prevent mass shootings, and reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country. He met with over 200 groups representing a broad cross-section of Americans and heard their best ideas. I have put forward a specific set of proposals based off of his efforts, and in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.

My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence. These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence. And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis.

As important as these steps are, they are not a substitute for action from Congress. To make a real and lasting difference, members of Congress must also act. As part of my comprehensive plan, I have called on them to pass some specific proposals right away. First, it is time to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun. Second, Congress should renew the 10-round limit on magazines and reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban. We should get tougher on those who buy guns with the purpose of selling them to criminals, and we should impose serious punishments on anyone who helps them do this.

These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people. But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers. Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love. We owe the victims of heartbreaking national tragedies and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best effort—to seek consensus in order to save lives and ensure a brighter future for our children.

Thank you, again, for writing. I encourage you to visit www.WhiteHouse.gov/NowIsTheTime to learn more about my Administration’s approach.

Sincerely,



Barack Obama
I think the most disturbing thing about the email is the fact that I have never in my life emailed The White House . . . . #tightenthetinfoilhat
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Old April 2, 2013, 02:30 PM   #2
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Did you ever participate in that Ruger thing where they sent emails on your behalf to representitives? I believe that sent an email to the White House. If not, well, it looks like the White House has hacked the Matrix, and we're all doomed!
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Old April 2, 2013, 02:34 PM   #3
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*facepalm* I'll bet that's it.
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Old April 2, 2013, 02:37 PM   #4
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Yeah, I got one of those, too.

I did, however, email the whitehouse, more than once.

If, like many, a person uses either Ruger's or S&W's quick communicate options then they've emailed the White House, I think.

Oops, scooped while I was on the phone .

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Old April 2, 2013, 02:49 PM   #5
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Well, I guess this can turn into a "Make fun of Silly ol' Spats" thread for a bit. I deserve it. #unwraptinfoilfromhead
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Old April 2, 2013, 03:00 PM   #6
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...the White House has hacked the Matrix,....
[Agent Smith Voice]

You hear that sound, Mr. Mcgee?

That is the sound of inevitability... the sound... of your death....

[/Agent Smith]

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Old April 2, 2013, 03:13 PM   #7
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...and we're all doomed!
It's getting harder not to believe it...

Must resist...

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Old April 2, 2013, 04:30 PM   #8
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Popvox allows me to put a widget on my site that presents a bill and allows users to fill out the form and send it right then. I figure that's why I've gotten numerous odd responses, including the one you did.
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Old April 2, 2013, 04:34 PM   #9
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Old April 2, 2013, 04:36 PM   #10
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Dagnabbit, Tom! At least you could have photographed my good side.
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Old April 2, 2013, 05:13 PM   #11
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At least you could have photographed my good side.
I thought that was your good side!

At least I'm not quoting Canadian Libertarian song lyrics!

What gets me about the email is this:

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But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers.
Because they failed to force it upon us, they're asking for our help. This whole issue went from an unavoidable, foregone conclusion in January to "it deserves a vote" in February to "we really need your help" in March.

That's not an utterance of someone who's not as in control of an issue as he'd once assumed.
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Old April 2, 2013, 05:22 PM   #12
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Yeah, I'll show you my good side . . . grumble, grumble . . .

You raise a good point, Tom.
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These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people. But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers.
On the one hand, he says that these measures "have the support of the majority of the American people," but in the same breath says that lawmakers won't make the changes "unless the American people demand it." Well, which is it? Is he telling us that lawmakers are refusing to enact laws supported by the majority of Americans? Or that lawmakers don't think the measures are supported by a majority?
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Old April 2, 2013, 06:10 PM   #13
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Do you fella's think it's 'punt time' for this administration and the anti's?

Or is it that this N. Korean sabre rattling is taking to much of his '(Obama's quote) "all the power of my office" to mess with exerting much 'power of his office' to the anti gun crap?
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Old April 2, 2013, 06:20 PM   #14
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I dont think they will punt... they are true believers in disarming the masses... Rights or no rights..
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Old April 2, 2013, 06:25 PM   #15
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On the one hand, he says that these measures "have the support of the majority of the American people,"
I'm very leery of these polls that express majority support for gun control. It's too easy to push people and too easy to manipulate general responses into support for specific laws. One can imagine a question like:

Would you favor reasonable gun control measures to reduce grade school massacres?
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I got the letter also, it was next to the CDNN hi-cap mag ad in my list.

Decisions, decisions.
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Old April 2, 2013, 06:42 PM   #17
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On the one hand, he says that these measures "have the support of the majority of the American people," but in the same breath says that lawmakers won't make the changes "unless the American people demand it." Well, which is it? Is he telling us that lawmakers are refusing to enact laws supported by the majority of Americans? Or that lawmakers don't think the measures are supported by a majority?
They're talking out of both sides of their mouths in an effort to get SOME kind of victory out of this. There's a reason the President was telling us last week to "remember how we felt" at the news of Sandy Hook. That reason is that he realizes they've lost the battle for ideas and understand they have to rely on the motivation given by emotion. They just don't have any other lever to use on the American people, and in most cases, it just isn't enough.*



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They just don't have any other lever to use on the American people, and in most cases, it just isn't enough.*

*Void in NY, CO, and CT. And maybe even CA.
There isn't any question about CA. 10/22 Rimfires will soon be reclassified as Assault Weapons here. It seems CA polititians want to ensure hat "THEY" have the toughest gun laws in the nation. It's a race don't ya know?
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That's exactly what it is for them. January's a tough month to get legislation on the table. Now the emotional appeals are having less effect and it's harder to seize on the moment. Goshdarnit, folks have had time to think about this, and they're not as supportive as they might have been.

Let's not forget the sheer arrogance with which they addressed the gun culture at the beginning of the year. We need to show that to voters in 2014 to hammer the point home.
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Old April 3, 2013, 12:46 PM   #20
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I'm very leery of these polls that express majority support for gun control. It's too easy to push people and too easy to manipulate general responses into support for specific laws.
The sudden attack on Ohio with the barrage of commercials sponsored by the likes of Bloomberg chanting mandatory gun registration to save our children is surely proof of the above statement by KyJim.

One of the adds claimed that 83% of Ohioans are for these new proposals.

Think I'll go out on a limb and call BS on that figure. And further go out on a limb and say that the 83% figure is a blatant lie to the public with the intent of nothing more then to try and sway the unknowing.

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Old April 4, 2013, 09:04 PM   #21
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The problem gun supporters face, always has been that when you try to stay with factual arguments and logical thought, but you are up against emotional people who regularly utilize unconstrained exaggeration, misrepresentation and outright lying as the basis for their position, you can't win unless the 3rd party listener is able to discern the truth from the lies. The masses are apparently grossly incapable of same. An old friend used to say even the first liar doesn't stand a chance.

And the anti's don't care how unconstitutional some of these new sweeping ban laws turn out to be. Get enough of them on the books, and they will have to be challenged one at a time, picked apart with limited decisions as it always happens, and in one six month blitz they could give us decades of undoing and expense just to return to where we were on January 1, 2013.
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Old April 4, 2013, 09:26 PM   #22
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I am not really sure how well my analogy applies but i have often wondered if they were worried about the sheep, wouldn't you allow more sheep dogs to get bigger teeth to protect the sheep from the wolves, rather than passing a new muzzle law that affect the sheepdogs to stop the wolves from feeding on the sheep?
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Old April 4, 2013, 09:27 PM   #23
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Not if "they" are the wolves.
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My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence.
What tools are they giving out? Glocks would be useful tools for that ...... just sayin' .......
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I was thinking it ....glad you said it
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