Full Nylon Jacket?

Jo6pak · April 9, 2012, 06:16 PM

I was at the area Cabela's the other day and saw that they are selling Herter's aluminum-cased ammunition loaded with "TNJ" (total nylon jacketed) bullets.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104372280

It's apparently manufactured by Blazer and sold under the Herter's name.
It does make sense to try to replace the expensive copper with nylon, and I've never had an issue with aluminum cased pistol fodder.

I see that is is a new release for 2012 and was wondering if anyone had any experience shooting this stuff yet?

$15 per 50 /.40 S+W was pretty tempting, but since I was on another mission I passed this time.

TunnelRat · April 9, 2012, 06:35 PM

That's interesting and I'd be curious to see how they worked. Seems a bit pricey though, as I can get 100 round Value Packs of Federal Champion for $31 or so.

Webleymkv · April 9, 2012, 10:24 PM

It's not a new idea. Federal did the same thing with their NyClad line of ammunition decades ago (NyClads have recently been reintroduced in a 125gr .38 Special loading). Basically, the nylon coating allowed the use of a dead-soft lead bullet without the barrel leading that would usually be inherent to a bullet of that type. If the ammo in question is really made by Blazer, it is unsurprising that they've chosen a nylon coating since Federal, Speer, and CCI are all owned by the same parent corporation: ATK.

Laz · April 10, 2012, 11:33 AM

I hope the nylon coating (Nyclad) spreads across numerous lines. I've always been a fan of the Nyclad line.

zxcvbob · April 10, 2012, 11:38 AM

OMG, teflon Kop-Killer™ bullets!

justin251 · April 10, 2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TunnelRat

That's interesting and I'd be curious to see how they worked. Seems a bit pricey though, as I can get 100 round Value Packs of Federal Champion for $31 or so.

That's a dollar more than the price he quoted.......

TunnelRat · April 10, 2012, 01:03 PM

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That's a dollar more than the price he quoted......

Ik...My point is that if it's meant as a cost saving feature as the OP first guesses than it isn't doing a very good job because it doesn't seem to be lowering the price by much, now does it

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justin251 · April 10, 2012, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunnelRat

Ik...My point is that if it's meant as a cost saving feature as the OP first guesses than it isn't doing a very good job because it doesn't seem to be lowering the price by much, now does it

?

I just thought you failed math in hs. Haha

mrvco · April 10, 2012, 04:49 PM

It sounds like concealed carry ammo to me... Being that each round comes in its own cover garment

TunnelRat · April 10, 2012, 05:13 PM

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I just thought you failed math in hs. Haha

Actually I graduate from college with a degree in Interdisciplinary Mathematics, so no

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Jo6pak · April 11, 2012, 09:36 PM

I am aware of the old Federal NyClad ammo. I was specifically asking about the Herter's ammo.

xLPlushy · April 18, 2012, 09:17 PM

Stopped by cabelas the other night. Bought 2 boxes of this stuff. Hoping to get out to the range later this week and test it out. I'll post a range report for all y'all when I get to the range.

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C0untZer0 · April 19, 2012, 12:54 AM

A guy on Glock talk had a his pistol blow up firing Herters.

I'd google it before I'd shoot it.

I don't think it was the nylon coated. I think the International Select comes in the yellow box and the bullets are just copper jacketed and the cases are polymer coated steel, and I beleive there was a recall:

Herter's International Select Grade
9mm Luger 115gr. FMJ.

xLPlushy · April 23, 2012, 12:52 PM

Tried it out over the weekend at the range. 2 boxes of 165gr TNJ 40S&W thru my G22. This stuff shot remarkably well and very accurately. Very clean thru the bore, at least for 100 rounds. Minimal barrel heat up lighter recoil compared to the 165gr FMJ American Eagle ammo that I shot after the TNJ as kind of a "control". The aluminum cases also came out of my gun looking much nicer than the brass cases that come out of it. It tends to dink and dent the case mouths on brass cases.

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C0untZer0 · April 23, 2012, 02:08 PM

I don't know why the aluminum would come out looking nicer. The extractor in my P7M8 actually tore notches out of the Blazer Aluminum.

But as far as accuracy - I always thought the Nyclad was pretty accurate stuff. I think it has to do with the rifling getting a better "grip" on the bullet than copper jacketing, but I don't really know for sure. The two rounds that always shot accurately for me in my P7M8 were Nyclad 124 and Federal 135gr Hydra-Shok.

xLPlushy · April 24, 2012, 02:24 PM

That surprised me too. However, I've shot a few boxes of Speer Lawman 165gr FMJ thru my G22 as well, and the brass from those cartridges doesn't look near as bad as the Federal American Eagle cases. So I'm thinking that them Federals are just a soft and cheaper brass quality.

As to the accuracy, that may be, it makes sense to me.

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April 9, 2012, 06:16 PM	#1
Jo6pak Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2010 Location: West Coast...of WI Posts: 1,144	Full Nylon Jacket? I was at the area Cabela's the other day and saw that they are selling Herter's aluminum-cased ammunition loaded with "TNJ" (total nylon jacketed) bullets. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104372280 It's apparently manufactured by Blazer and sold under the Herter's name. It does make sense to try to replace the expensive copper with nylon, and I've never had an issue with aluminum cased pistol fodder. I see that is is a new release for 2012 and was wondering if anyone had any experience shooting this stuff yet? $15 per 50 /.40 S+W was pretty tempting, but since I was on another mission I passed this time. __________________ NRA Life Member, SAF contributor.

April 9, 2012, 06:35 PM	#2
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 2,419	That's interesting and I'd be curious to see how they worked. Seems a bit pricey though, as I can get 100 round Value Packs of Federal Champion for $31 or so. __________________ Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams

April 9, 2012, 10:24 PM	#3
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,410	It's not a new idea. Federal did the same thing with their NyClad line of ammunition decades ago (NyClads have recently been reintroduced in a 125gr .38 Special loading). Basically, the nylon coating allowed the use of a dead-soft lead bullet without the barrel leading that would usually be inherent to a bullet of that type. If the ammo in question is really made by Blazer, it is unsurprising that they've chosen a nylon coating since Federal, Speer, and CCI are all owned by the same parent corporation: ATK. __________________ Smith, and Wesson, and Me. -H. Callahan Well waddaya know, one buwwet weft! -E. Fudd All bad precedents begin as justifiable measures. -J. Caesar

April 10, 2012, 11:33 AM	#4
Laz Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 1999 Posts: 912	I hope the nylon coating (Nyclad) spreads across numerous lines. I've always been a fan of the Nyclad line. __________________ Laz Use It Up, Wear It Out, Make It Do, Or Do Without

April 10, 2012, 11:38 AM	#5
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 3,657	OMG, teflon Kop-Killer™ bullets! __________________ "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun"

April 10, 2012, 04:49 PM	#9
mrvco Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2011 Posts: 205	It sounds like concealed carry ammo to me... Being that each round comes in its own cover garment Last edited by mrvco; April 10, 2012 at 05:20 PM.

April 11, 2012, 09:36 PM	#11
Jo6pak Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2010 Location: West Coast...of WI Posts: 1,144	I am aware of the old Federal NyClad ammo. I was specifically asking about the Herter's ammo. __________________ NRA Life Member, SAF contributor.

April 18, 2012, 09:17 PM	#12
xLPlushy Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 151	Stopped by cabelas the other night. Bought 2 boxes of this stuff. Hoping to get out to the range later this week and test it out. I'll post a range report for all y'all when I get to the range. Tapatalked via my highly abused iPhone

April 19, 2012, 12:54 AM	#13
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	A guy on Glock talk had a his pistol blow up firing Herters. I'd google it before I'd shoot it. I don't think it was the nylon coated. I think the International Select comes in the yellow box and the bullets are just copper jacketed and the cases are polymer coated steel, and I beleive there was a recall: Herter's International Select Grade 9mm Luger 115gr. FMJ. Last edited by C0untZer0; April 19, 2012 at 01:00 AM.

April 23, 2012, 12:52 PM	#14
xLPlushy Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 151	Tried it out over the weekend at the range. 2 boxes of 165gr TNJ 40S&W thru my G22. This stuff shot remarkably well and very accurately. Very clean thru the bore, at least for 100 rounds. Minimal barrel heat up lighter recoil compared to the 165gr FMJ American Eagle ammo that I shot after the TNJ as kind of a "control". The aluminum cases also came out of my gun looking much nicer than the brass cases that come out of it. It tends to dink and dent the case mouths on brass cases. Tapatalked via my highly abused iPhone

April 23, 2012, 02:08 PM	#15
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I don't know why the aluminum would come out looking nicer. The extractor in my P7M8 actually tore notches out of the Blazer Aluminum. But as far as accuracy - I always thought the Nyclad was pretty accurate stuff. I think it has to do with the rifling getting a better "grip" on the bullet than copper jacketing, but I don't really know for sure. The two rounds that always shot accurately for me in my P7M8 were Nyclad 124 and Federal 135gr Hydra-Shok.

April 24, 2012, 02:24 PM	#16
xLPlushy Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 151	That surprised me too. However, I've shot a few boxes of Speer Lawman 165gr FMJ thru my G22 as well, and the brass from those cartridges doesn't look near as bad as the Federal American Eagle cases. So I'm thinking that them Federals are just a soft and cheaper brass quality. As to the accuracy, that may be, it makes sense to me. Tapatalked via my highly abused iPhone