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Old April 7, 2012, 10:54 PM   #1
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Van Damme uses a pair of Navies in Assassination Games

Check out this link

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2237447936/tt1436568

I haven't seen the movie yet but I will soon. He may just use them in one scene. Hehe the ole smoke poles in a movie thats not a western
I can't tell from the pic but they may be '60 Army's too. Not sure But I swear on the cover of the movie the barrels look octagonal.
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Old April 7, 2012, 11:04 PM   #2
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From this site
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Assassination_Games
Its says they are Walker Colts, but in the picture on that site the guns look like they have latches on the front of the loading lever. And the trigger gaurds look rounded. Anyway I'm bored at work can't you tell?
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Old April 7, 2012, 11:09 PM   #3
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According to IMFDB they're Colt Walkers.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Assassination_Games

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Vincent (Jean-Claude Van Damme ) uses a couple of Colt Walkers.
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Old April 8, 2012, 02:43 AM   #4
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One is a Walker, the other one probably is.
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Old April 8, 2012, 04:48 AM   #5
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All....

Take another look at the close-up in the link in the second post.

They seem to have brass frames and also seem to be to small to be a Walker/Dragoon frame and grip.

Is it possible that they are G&Gs?
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Old April 8, 2012, 05:57 AM   #6
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Doc, it does look that way. But I will watch the movie and commence with some slow motion, pause, and ZOOM ......its the little things that amuse me.
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Old April 8, 2012, 06:47 AM   #7
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In the first pic one appears to have no lever catch and the wedge goes in from the right side. In the second pic they both appear to have catches and the near one has the wedge going in from the left. In the first pic the one in his left hand appears to be a 51 Navy. I think it's the lighting making the CCH frames appear to be brass. Bottom line is none of the pics are clear enough to really tell.
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Old April 8, 2012, 06:53 AM   #8
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Old April 8, 2012, 08:47 AM   #9
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To be sure though they ARE cap n ball revolvers and to see em in a movie thats not a western is really cool to me.
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Old April 8, 2012, 10:43 AM   #10
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I'll wade in with my opinion... for what that's worth... ;p

Looking at the enlarged photos @ http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Assassination_Games the brass trigger guard is definitely, visibly a different color than the 'brass' colored frame, so I would have to agree that the lighting is to blame for the 'brass' coloring of the case-hardening... so no brassers.

Given the 'pin' front sight in the movie photo vs. the 'blade' front sight in the upper Walker photo, also given Mr. Van Damme is not a large-framed man... so hand to weapon size ratio in the photo (frame size/ weapon length) and loading lever catches on both weapons says they are Colt Style 1851's, NOT Walkers. Given the straight sided cylinder... they're .36 caliber.

Rounded barreled/Octagonal? Given the 'hard' lighting... as we saw in the post of the SC Museum weapon in another post here, it's hard to tell... till you peer closely at the barrel's end... then you notice full curvature.

If I had to take a guess... he's actually sporting a pair of Uberti 1862 Leech & Rigdons (irregardless what they may have called them)... given they almost match the photo (exactly) @

http://gastatic.com/UserImages/5263/...wm_3756955.jpg

The only trouble I see with the movie photo, given no cap relief cut in the right side of the blast shield... is that the photo may be transposed? IE. he should be firing both weapons to the left of frame, instead of right.

Postscript: Searching yahoo photos of Mr. Van Damme, he wears his watch on his left wrist... so yes, the photo is backwards. Your looking at his left hand in the foreground... from the photo's right-hand perspective.

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Old April 8, 2012, 12:26 PM   #11
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Shades of Hell on Wheels We got us another (or maybe the same?) propmaster and armorer that don't know stuff from shinola when it comes to C&Bs. From the picture, they're both Griswold & Gunnisons, and yes, the photo is reversed.
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Old April 8, 2012, 01:41 PM   #12
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We got us another (or maybe the same?) propmaster and armorer that don't know stuff from shinola when it comes to C&Bs.
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Old April 8, 2012, 01:47 PM   #13
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Old April 8, 2012, 01:58 PM   #14
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If the photo was reversed, wouldn't the knot on his head be on the left side not the right?
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Old April 8, 2012, 02:39 PM   #15
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Cool stuff for sure.

The question I have, if anyone has actually seen this movie, what's the point of the G&G's? Does the character explain himself? That might answer what they actually are.

Like the Video "Beer for my horses" although use of '51's in a stakeout is odd, it certainly was fun.
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Old April 8, 2012, 02:57 PM   #16
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Haven't seen the movie, but untraceable would be my first thought. Unregistered weapon, no brass, no ammunition lot number, home cast lead & home-made propellant (in any run-down motel room). Any number of reasons are possible, but the down-side would be the noise, fire and smoke signature.

Given the arsenal at his disposal though, one still has to wonder why the character would carry such large revolvers, not easily hidden... when he has such a large number of concealable automatics at his disposal.

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Old April 8, 2012, 04:43 PM   #17
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Like the Video "Beer for my horses" although use of '51's in a stakeout is odd, it certainly was fun.
Those 51's were Pietta .44's. You'd think Willie would get it right but I guess not.
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Old April 8, 2012, 05:13 PM   #18
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Man, Hawg, we can't trust anybody these days.

Didn't look closely enough there either. That was back before I posted here, but I'm sure that was a hot topic.
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Old April 9, 2012, 12:03 AM   #19
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The pistols I see look like brass framed 36 cal '51 Navies. The cylinders are straight, not rebated (not 44). The lighting would not reflect on the frames that differently than the barrels & cylinders if they were all the same metal (bluedsteel). They are brasser navies in my eye regardless of what the movie hype says.
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Old April 9, 2012, 12:35 AM   #20
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Walker cylinders are not rebated and the frames aren't blued, they're color case hardened which is lighter and reflect more.
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Old April 9, 2012, 03:27 PM   #21
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The guns shown have post front sights (Navy) not blades as in the Walkers and in the second link show 3 screws on the right side of the frames with what looks like the shadow of a lever catch (Navy) where the Walker lever would have a tapered but rounded point without a latch on the end of the barrel. Walkers only have one screw going all the way through for the hammer. I'm still sayin' thems Navies albeit with rounded Dragoon like barrels.
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If it is a Navy....

....it is a Navy with a round barrel, ala G&G or L&R.

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Old April 9, 2012, 05:54 PM   #23
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Alas... Griswold wins

Finding http://www.vincelewis.net/griswold.html , I'd have to agree with the Griswold, the oxidation rate of the frame vs. the trigger guard of the weapon pictured there is almost identical to the pair in the movie. So oxidized brass, not colored case hardened... as the Leech.
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Old April 12, 2012, 07:56 PM   #24
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I wrote several times about me owning one of these that I bought in a roadside antique store near Agusta. I remember saying there was an X stamped on the hammer hand. I, after years of thinking realized it might have been a fake until now seeing XX's on main spring. Now I'm sad because I sold it for 100 dollars. Damn that X is now etched in my head!

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Old April 17, 2012, 12:19 AM   #25
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Whoever wrote that Van Damme was using Walkers doesn't know what they are talking about. They must have "Josey Wales" on their mind. Here's almost the same angle pic of Clint as Josey as in the angle pic of Van Damme. Now we can clearly see that those are Walkers Clint is holding. Notice the length of the cylinders and how big they are. With Van Damme being a small guy, if he were holding Walker Colts, they would look HUGE in his hands. They do not look huge in Van Damme's hands in the second photo following the below one do they?



How could IMFDB be so sloppy ignorant as to call Van Damme's G&G's or Leech and Rigdon's as Walkers? I am tired of movie people and writers being ignorant and lacking in proper research. Reminds me of an old t.v. episode of "Tales of the Gold Monkey" when Corky (Jake's mechanic) heard Jake's .455 Webley revolver firing and Corky's line was....

wait for it............

"Hey, that's Jake's Weatherby".

I never could figure out how Jake got a Weatherby rifle into his Webley revolver holster .

We don't need more gun control in this country, we need more gun EDUCATION!

Just had this pointed out to me by another member.....
In below photo Van Damme's revolvers aren't even cocked! Yet in the movie he is facing an opponent who appears to be using a double action revolver (not the other guy with the semi-auto w silencer in below photo under Van Damme in same photo). As the member from here (who clued me to Van Damme's uncocked hammers in a P.M.) noted, maybe the property master and writers intended Van Damme to use them double action! ROFL!

Uncocked.



Before Van Damme could cock them, the other guy could double action his revolver. Not a Mexican standoff at all. Without his single actions cocked, the double action guy would have the edge, know it, take it, and win.

As black powder fans we should say to IMFDB and the movie writers...."I knew Josey Wale's Colt Walkers. I respected Josey Wale's Colt Walkers. You're Van Damme revolvers are no Colt Walkers". (To steal a phrase from a political oriented comment regarding Clinton and JFK). Lol.


Another nice rendering of Josey's Walkers.



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