The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 4, 2012, 11:47 AM   #1
chaz12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2008
Posts: 211
Black powder 1873

Saw this on gunbroker today.

Seller describes it as follows

This is a F.Llipietta Colt single action army revolver. 44 caliber black powder. This gun does not take cartriges. It was made to shot percussion. Backstrap and trigger gaurd is brass. The gun appear unfired. No FFL needed. Can be shipped direct to you. Shipping is $20.00 in the US.


Is this possible? Looking at the cylinder it couldn't shoot anything other than cartridges. Assuming that it was made to only shoot black powder cartridges, is it true that it would not need to go thru an FFL? Or does the seller totally not know what he is talking about?

Chaz
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BP1873.jpg (77.8 KB, 68 views)
chaz12 is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 12:03 PM   #2
wogpotter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 27, 2004
Posts: 3,443
There was a version made which looked exactly like an SAA , but it was internally a cap & ball revolver. It was also proofed at the lower pressures & materials suitable for BP only. IIRC it was a way to have an SAA look alike in countries where cartridge arms were heavily restricted, or not allowed at all.
You'd need a good pic of the rear of the cylinder, or with the hammer cocked to tell for sure.

Maybe this is one of them?
__________________
Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”?

Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”
wogpotter is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3
varmiter
Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2011
Posts: 24
That gun may very well be BP only. However, in the picture, it is designed to shoot cartridges. This is also confirmed by the presence of an ejector.

Whether it is BP or not, the fact that it uses cartridges will require transfer via FFL.

Chris
varmiter is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 12:49 PM   #4
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36,327
IIRC the Pietta 1873s that were set up as cap and ball revolvers did have ejectors (ball seaters?) on them, but they also had cut outs in the sides of the cylinder that allowed for the nipple to be capped and also as a debris port so cap scraps wouldn't jam the action.

My guess is that the wrong photo was attached.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 12:55 PM   #5
gyvel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2009
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 5,229
If you lighten and blow the photo up a little, you can see the access cutouts for the nipples at the rear of the cylinder.

FYI, there is also a Bisley .44 cap and ball for sale, and it is substantially cheaper than the SAA. (GB Auction # 280263549)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BP1873.jpg (82.1 KB, 46 views)

Last edited by gyvel; April 4, 2012 at 01:12 PM.
gyvel is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 01:04 PM   #6
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36,327
By jove I think you're right!
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 01:21 PM   #7
varmiter
Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2011
Posts: 24
I NOW think you are right too.

It's even much clearer on the second photo on GB....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=280755159

Would anyone care to explain how that cylinder is loaded WITHOUT removing the cylinder.

Chris
varmiter is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 01:32 PM   #8
Andy Griffith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 14, 2009
Location: Macon Co. NC
Posts: 570
I've got one of them, and they are still available from several of the importers, including Traditions, and they come in the three common barrel lengths. Don't ask me how I came by it...it was an accident and came in on "one of those deals."

The ejector is there for looks- to make it look like a regular single action army.
There is no way to load it without a loading stand.

I guess they are more targeted toward people in other countries where having cartridge revolvers are more regulated, but percussion revolvers are less regulated or need far less paperwork. Someone must have thought it a good idea to import some into the US. The only drawback to them that I can see is that they are not allowed in sanctioned "SASS" matches (in the US, but are allowed elsewhere in the world), but they're just as fun as any other percussion revolver.
__________________
Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!"
Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

Last edited by Andy Griffith; April 4, 2012 at 01:38 PM.
Andy Griffith is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 02:07 PM   #9
mykeal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 8, 2006
Location: Northern Michigan
Posts: 2,765
Andy is right on the mark. I also have one. It's an excellent shooter, given the inconvenience of having to use a charging stand (which I often use anyway since I charge spare cylinders off the gun).

mykeal is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 03:33 PM   #10
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,629
I have both a Traditions and an Uberti

The Traditions is 9 1/4 barrel length, the Uberti is 4 1/2. They both have ejectors which are for looks.

They are both very fine pistols. I think there is not a nickle's worth of difference between Uberti and Traditions of those pistols.
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 04:32 PM   #11
Strafer Gott
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 12, 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 1,144
I have the same set-up as Mykeal. I use the 30 grain pyrodex pellets, wonderwads and .454 ball. Load stacks perfectly with mild compression(free rotation). The touch of BP they put on the pellets really helps the ignition.
Blam, as opposed to kapow. Powerful handgun, and many smiles to shoot.
Lots of smoke.
Strafer Gott is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 04:34 PM   #12
mykeal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 8, 2006
Location: Northern Michigan
Posts: 2,765
Traditions? I assume that's Pietta, yes?
mykeal is offline  
Old April 4, 2012, 04:36 PM   #13
zullo74
Junior member
 
Join Date: August 8, 2009
Posts: 374
Traditions=Pietta
zullo74 is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 07:29 AM   #14
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36,327
"There is no way to load it without a loading stand."

I didn't think you'd be able to use the ejector as a ball rammer. Not enough leverage.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 11:27 AM   #15
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,629
Yep....

Gotta load it with a press.
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 10:56 PM   #16
sandman_nv
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 16, 2012
Posts: 106
Quote:
I have the same set-up as Mykeal. I use the 30 grain pyrodex pellets, wonderwads and .454 ball. Load stacks perfectly with mild compression(free rotation). The touch of BP they put on the pellets really helps the ignition.
Blam, as opposed to kapow. Powerful handgun, and many smiles to shoot.
Lots of smoke.
Do you crush the pellets in the chamber or do you just pack the ball tightly without crushing the pellet?

I have a couple of boxes and trying to decide to use them or not ( and how to correctly use them ).
sandman_nv is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 11:18 PM   #17
Strafer Gott
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 12, 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 1,144
You need to crunch them back into the radius, or the ball is too high. Not crazy
compressed, but no airspace. I find the pyrodex pellet powerful, and easy to load with the stand.
Strafer Gott is offline  
Old April 6, 2012, 11:36 PM   #18
sandman_nv
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 16, 2012
Posts: 106
Thank you for that information, Strafer!
sandman_nv is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10199 seconds with 10 queries