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Old April 2, 2012, 10:38 PM   #1
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Original 1858 REmington New Army Load data help

ive read the forum on load data for the replicas is there a difference in loads for an original i have Speer .451 balls and some remington 100 (f.c.) percussion caps is that correct to use also i have some IMR trailboss powder i use for my .45 long colt is that a good powder to use and how much thanks
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Old April 2, 2012, 10:55 PM   #2
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DO NOT use trailboss powder ! only use blackpowder or a blackpowder substitute. Try 30 grains of blackpowder with a .454 ball
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Old April 5, 2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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ou will blow the riginal Remmington sky high. I use 25 gr FFFG BP with a .454" RB in my Uberti 1858 repro.

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Old April 5, 2012, 04:59 PM   #4
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454 ball/wad w/ 32 grains of pyrodex OR /28 to 30 grains real bp
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Old April 5, 2012, 05:27 PM   #5
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Those .451's are going to be too small for an original. They're iffy in newer clones. I disremember what size original chambers are but I'm thinking .457 would be the best fit. Best bet is mic the chambers and use balls a couple of thousandths over that.
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Old April 5, 2012, 05:31 PM   #6
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An original Civil War pistol is very old. If it was made of steel, it was plain carbon steels, and the steels of that era were very inconsistent.

Until you study metal history you just don’t realize how primitive the process controls and how little they knew about steel and its chemistry.

What stresses, corrosive environment, your pistol has experienced in 150 years, you don’t know. It is a safe assumption that your pistol is not as strong as it was when it came out of the factory.

I would not load the thing to max. I would not load the thing at all. You are just going to add wear to something that cannot be replaced and there are lots of better made replicas on the market. And they are all worth less than an original.
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Old April 5, 2012, 05:41 PM   #7
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No harm in shooting an original as long as it's in good shape.
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Old April 5, 2012, 07:08 PM   #8
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IMR trailboss powder i use for my .45 long colt is that a good powder to use and how much thanks
Repeat - IMR Trail Boss powder is only for use in brass cartridges.

Hodgdon provides a free reloading data center that provides data for cartridge loads only.

http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

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Old April 5, 2012, 07:29 PM   #9
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Corrected Correction -=- IMR Trail Boss powder is only for use in brass cartridges in firearms that are suitable for use with smokeless powder.
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Old April 8, 2012, 09:53 PM   #10
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I agree with hardy. The only differences I see are, I use 25 gr equiv. of pyrodex P(fff equiv.), and a.451 ball/wad,and #10 caps. real good accuracy and no problems.
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Old April 8, 2012, 10:13 PM   #11
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a.451 ball/wad,and #10 caps.

I'm tellin ya those .451's are gonna be too small for an original. Heck they're too small for most newer clones.
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Old April 10, 2012, 11:58 AM   #12
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load data for original

Remington Revolver cal.44 Model 1858 8"
Length: 14 Inches
Weight: 2 ¾ pounds
Caliber 44 (.451")
Bullet Weight: 138 grains
Power Charge: 38 grains
Muzzle Velocity: 725 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 160 foot pounds

http://coolgunsite.com/pistols/rem18...page_m1861.htm
http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/44remington.htm
http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/
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Old April 22, 2012, 10:50 PM   #13
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wow thanks for all the great info all i havn't decided if im going to fire the gun yet but id like to it all seems to be in fairly good condition but i will give it some more thought maybe take it to the next gun show and have some one more qualified look at it
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Old April 24, 2012, 09:09 AM   #14
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Pictures!!! Pictures!!...Please man, show us some pictures of that Remington

I'll bet you would enjoy fireing it a few times...Use Real Black Powder (substitutes are hotter according to my chronograph and usually more corrosive than real BP), Use Round Balls,(.457's would probly work, but just measure the cylinder throughts to be sure the ball is bigger than the hole) and Don't cram it full of powder..22-25grains of 2ff or 3fff will be just fine.
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