Remington vs Colt, it never ends...

ZVP · March 13, 2012, 02:00 AM

In the spring 2012 "Guns of The Old West" there's a short article on yet another part of this neverending dispute over which revolver is best and why?
The only solution is to buy BOTH, so you can pick a favorite every other week!
Both have some endearing qualitys and I can't chose a favorite. I know price point was one of the Governments qualifications, but not the only one.
What do you guys say?
I think you have to own both!
ZVP

deerslayer303 · March 13, 2012, 02:30 AM

Ditto,
Must have both, and one from every manufacturer, every model, and if u see one with different finished grips on the same model by the same manufacturer that you already own. Well then you have to have that one too!

IDAHOMIKE · March 13, 2012, 03:28 AM

Don't have a vast selection of either, but I'd have to go with the "Colt". My 1860 of oldish manufacture, will cut a single ragged hole from 25 paces or so for the first 5 or 6 cylinders. My "Remington" 58 won't do that, but it's not too bad either. I greatly favor the feel of the "Colts" as well. But I must say, it is real nice to have both.

dlbarr · March 13, 2012, 04:43 AM

I've got one of each, Piettas, for my entre into C&B revolvers. And I have to agree: I like 'em BOTH! Each has a unique feel and is enjoyable to hold, point & shoot. Wouldn't want to be w/o either and intend to get more, More, MORE!!!

Hawg Haggen · March 13, 2012, 05:34 AM

I like both but if I had to go with just one it would be a Colt.

noelf2 · March 13, 2012, 07:29 AM

Both are good, but its a remmy for me.

mykeal · March 13, 2012, 07:56 AM

ROA, followed by R&S.

madcratebuilder · March 13, 2012, 08:23 AM

It's not about "best" it's about "different". If it's different you need to own it.

Noz · March 13, 2012, 09:49 AM

How do they feel in your hand. Remingtons are designed wrong for my hand. The hammer sets too high for me to reach it easily. 1851s are too small for my hand but the 1860 fits perfectly.

Hawg Haggen · March 13, 2012, 12:16 PM

Curl your pinky under the butt and that 51 will fit a lot better.

Doc Hoy · March 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

It might be the same an you still need to own it.

bedbugbilly · March 13, 2012, 06:55 PM

You mean they make something besides a '51 Navy??

Wildhipoint · March 13, 2012, 08:50 PM

Colt got the history

mikthestick · March 13, 2012, 09:10 PM

According to the colt book I have
The Us gov chose the colt single action army because it was more accurate harder hitting and worked when the others (S&W, Remington ) would not. I read the report made by the army, I think few who read it would choose anything else.

Shotgun693 · March 13, 2012, 09:18 PM

I shoot CAS and do it Gunfighter. I have '73 Colt's and one '75 Remington. I shoot my '75 in my right hand and a '73 in my left. Last match, out of 5 stages I shot 2 clean and shot'm with the best time. Which gun do I prefer? I kinda like'm both. If Remington had gotten their '75 out in 1872 then history might be different.

hoof hearted · March 13, 2012, 11:39 PM

Oh hell..........
Just buy them all and hang 'em on the wall, I did!

Fingers McGee · March 13, 2012, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted

Oh hell..........
Just buy them all and hang 'em on the wall, I did!

I surrender!!!

hoof hearted · March 14, 2012, 12:05 AM

Awwe Heck, Fingers.....

Don't give up so easy!
Just come visit for a spell and help me shoot 'em..............
(you should see the other three walls)

Regards, HH

deerslayer303 · March 14, 2012, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Oh hell..........
Just buy them all and hang 'em on the wall, I did!

OMG!!

I busted out laughing when I saw your post hoof!! CLASSIC!!

madcratebuilder · March 14, 2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoof hearted

Oh hell..........
Just buy them all and hang 'em on the wall, I did!

Nice start, my walls are to small.

Willie Sutton · March 14, 2012, 08:54 AM

"The Us gov chose the colt single action army because it was more accurate harder hitting and worked when the others (S&W, Remington ) would not. I read the report made by the army, I think few who read it would choose anything else"

Since we're in a black powder forum, my assumption is that we're not talking about the Single Action Army... we're talking about cap and ball pistols. History is history, and once metallic cartridges became the norm, the Colt's were the more sucessful design. That's not subject to much debate.

Back to cap and ball:

For fondling and admiring, the Colt designs are both beautiful and varied. Interesting to examine their evolution and design, and with a large variety of designs they are fun to collect. No doubt they are esthetically pleasing to behold and fun to shoot.

But to really take out and shoot, to remove cylinders and exchange, to use with cartridge conversion cylinders, etc... the Remington design is definately more friendly. When Bill Ruger wanted to build a modern cap and ball pistol, he did not use a Colt as his basis, he used a Remington. There's a reason for that. It's a stronger and more modern design.

Willie

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zullo74 · March 14, 2012, 08:57 AM

Willie,

Actually Bill Ruger used his own Blackhawk as inspiration for the ROA, which itself was conceived from the C-O-L-T designed SAA.

Willie Sutton · March 14, 2012, 09:36 AM

"Actually Bill Ruger used his own Blackhawk as inspiration for the ROA"

For lockwork and frame, yes, it is a cousin to the other Ruger cartridge guns. Those, BTW, are not even close to being mechanically copies of the SAA. They are "stand off" copies from a cosmetic standpoint.

For layout of the loading lever and other modifications to cap and ball, it is absolutely inspired by the Remington and it bears no resemblance to any of the Colt cap and ball pistols.

Not to mention the name... New Army (Remington) and Old Army (Ruger). Or is that just coincidence?

Willie

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hoof hearted · March 14, 2012, 09:57 AM

Bill Ruger also used a Remington pistol as design influence for the Bearcat......

Hawg Haggen · March 14, 2012, 10:48 AM

Some of us don't like Rugers either.

March 13, 2012, 02:00 AM	#1
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 515	Remington vs Colt, it never ends... In the spring 2012 "Guns of The Old West" there's a short article on yet another part of this neverending dispute over which revolver is best and why? The only solution is to buy BOTH, so you can pick a favorite every other week! Both have some endearing qualitys and I can't chose a favorite. I know price point was one of the Governments qualifications, but not the only one. What do you guys say? I think you have to own both! ZVP

March 13, 2012, 03:28 AM	#3
IDAHOMIKE Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2007 Location: Gooding, ID Posts: 343	Don't have a vast selection of either, but I'd have to go with the "Colt". My 1860 of oldish manufacture, will cut a single ragged hole from 25 paces or so for the first 5 or 6 cylinders. My "Remington" 58 won't do that, but it's not too bad either. I greatly favor the feel of the "Colts" as well. But I must say, it is real nice to have both. __________________ Need some top notch gunleather? Please check out my facebook page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/A-T...05958232763057 and my website at http://atouchofyellowleatherwerkes.weebly.com/ 10% discount for TFL members. Thanks for looking!

March 13, 2012, 05:34 AM	#5
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,248	I like both but if I had to go with just one it would be a Colt. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

March 13, 2012, 07:29 AM	#6
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 1,318	Both are good, but its a remmy for me. __________________ This message and signature were both made using 100% recycled electrons.

March 13, 2012, 12:16 PM	#10
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,248	Curl your pinky under the butt and that 51 will fit a lot better. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

March 13, 2012, 02:30 AM	#2
deerslayer303 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: McMinnville TN Posts: 1,116	Ditto, Must have both, and one from every manufacturer, every model, and if u see one with different finished grips on the same model by the same manufacturer that you already own. Well then you have to have that one too!

March 13, 2012, 04:43 AM	#4
dlbarr Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2011 Posts: 128	I've got one of each, Piettas, for my entre into C&B revolvers. And I have to agree: I like 'em BOTH! Each has a unique feel and is enjoyable to hold, point & shoot. Wouldn't want to be w/o either and intend to get more, More, MORE!!!

March 13, 2012, 07:56 AM	#7
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,637	ROA, followed by R&S.

March 13, 2012, 08:23 AM	#8
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,867	It's not about "best" it's about "different". If it's different you need to own it.

March 13, 2012, 09:49 AM	#9
Noz Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 589	How do they feel in your hand. Remingtons are designed wrong for my hand. The hammer sets too high for me to reach it easily. 1851s are too small for my hand but the 1860 fits perfectly.

March 13, 2012, 06:09 PM	#11
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 3,349	Madcratebuilder plus one half It might be the same an you still need to own it. __________________ Doc My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson

March 13, 2012, 06:55 PM	#12
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 1,320	You mean they make something besides a '51 Navy?? __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

March 13, 2012, 08:50 PM	#13
Wildhipoint Member Join Date: March 6, 2012 Posts: 34	Colt got the history

March 13, 2012, 09:10 PM	#14
mikthestick Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2012 Location: Devon England Posts: 118	According to the colt book I have The Us gov chose the colt single action army because it was more accurate harder hitting and worked when the others (S&W, Remington ) would not. I read the report made by the army, I think few who read it would choose anything else.

March 13, 2012, 09:18 PM	#15
Shotgun693 Senior Member Join Date: September 3, 2011 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 959	I shoot CAS and do it Gunfighter. I have '73 Colt's and one '75 Remington. I shoot my '75 in my right hand and a '73 in my left. Last match, out of 5 stages I shot 2 clean and shot'm with the best time. Which gun do I prefer? I kinda like'm both. If Remington had gotten their '75 out in 1872 then history might be different.

March 13, 2012, 11:39 PM	#16
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 49	Oh hell.......... Just buy them all and hang 'em on the wall, I did! __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com

March 14, 2012, 12:05 AM	#18
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 49	Awwe Heck, Fingers..... Don't give up so easy! Just come visit for a spell and help me shoot 'em.............. (you should see the other three walls) Regards, HH __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com

March 14, 2012, 08:54 AM	#21
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	"The Us gov chose the colt single action army because it was more accurate harder hitting and worked when the others (S&W, Remington ) would not. I read the report made by the army, I think few who read it would choose anything else" Since we're in a black powder forum, my assumption is that we're not talking about the Single Action Army... we're talking about cap and ball pistols. History is history, and once metallic cartridges became the norm, the Colt's were the more sucessful design. That's not subject to much debate. Back to cap and ball: For fondling and admiring, the Colt designs are both beautiful and varied. Interesting to examine their evolution and design, and with a large variety of designs they are fun to collect. No doubt they are esthetically pleasing to behold and fun to shoot. But to really take out and shoot, to remove cylinders and exchange, to use with cartridge conversion cylinders, etc... the Remington design is definately more friendly. When Bill Ruger wanted to build a modern cap and ball pistol, he did not use a Colt as his basis, he used a Remington. There's a reason for that. It's a stronger and more modern design. Willie .

March 14, 2012, 08:57 AM	#22
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Willie, Actually Bill Ruger used his own Blackhawk as inspiration for the ROA, which itself was conceived from the C-O-L-T designed SAA.

March 14, 2012, 09:36 AM	#23
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	"Actually Bill Ruger used his own Blackhawk as inspiration for the ROA" For lockwork and frame, yes, it is a cousin to the other Ruger cartridge guns. Those, BTW, are not even close to being mechanically copies of the SAA. They are "stand off" copies from a cosmetic standpoint. For layout of the loading lever and other modifications to cap and ball, it is absolutely inspired by the Remington and it bears no resemblance to any of the Colt cap and ball pistols. Not to mention the name... New Army (Remington) and Old Army (Ruger). Or is that just coincidence? Willie .

March 14, 2012, 09:57 AM	#24
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 49	Bill Ruger also used a Remington pistol as design influence for the Bearcat...... __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com

March 14, 2012, 10:48 AM	#25
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,248	Some of us don't like Rugers either. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php