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Old March 16, 2012, 04:09 PM   #1
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Vermont Carry (Problem ?)

Folks,
Being a Vermonter has its privileges namely the ability to carry 14 revolvers and a backup if I want just about anywhere. The issue I am running into however is this. Because my state does not issue CCW there is no resiprosity with states that do. I of course have the option to file for an out of state CCW to the states I would like to be able to carry in. My question is this.

As a holder of an out of state ccw say New Hampshire do I get to enjoy the reseprosity that a resident license holder would enjoy? NH residents with a CCW can carry in several other states and I am wandering if this would apply to me as well.

I am looking to get as few Non Resident CCWs as possible so I can travel and visit family while carrying if I so choose.

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Old March 16, 2012, 05:32 PM   #2
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Try using this mapping tool: You click on the permits that you have (or plan to get) and the map will tell you where you can carry.


https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...w=1024&bih=403




It's likely that a Florida non resident CCW is the easiest and most valuable one you can get.
New Hampshire non-resident permits are not as widely accepted.

Some states have differing reciprocity depending on if you are a resident permot holder v/s a non resident.
It's important to know the laws when you travel.




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Old March 16, 2012, 05:36 PM   #3
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OP is making a good point. Some states require you to be a resident of the State in which you have the permit in order for them to reciprocate, others do not. More do not than do, fortunately.
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Old March 16, 2012, 05:39 PM   #4
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I think if I lived in Vermont,I probably would not leave it to go anywhere unless it was necessary.
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Old March 16, 2012, 06:48 PM   #5
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A lot depends on where you are going. Some states (out your way, PA, VA, OH and KY, out my way, OR, WA, ID, MT, NV, WY, AZ....) all have open carry available without a license. In WA (and AZ) there are times when you can CC without a permit if you want to. May be in the other states too, just don't know for sure. WY CC without a permit is for residents only.

There are quite a few states that will accept any state's permits. You might read their laws to see if they made special provision for VT. There are other states (like NY, NJ, MD, CA), that I think the best thing is to send there tourism board a letter and state, I went on extensive hiolliday this year..we did not go to your state because of your restrictive carry laws.
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Old March 16, 2012, 07:06 PM   #6
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Thus, I moved to Florida.....Not only because of the great weather.
It's a firearm owners paradise.....and those fine folk in North Florida, still refuse to accept the Civil War ended.
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Old March 16, 2012, 08:16 PM   #7
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Vermont is great where guns are concerned. It is the way it should be everywhere. Unfortunately, because there is no licensing at all I don't know of any states that will issue a non resident permit. That's something you'll have to check out. NY being NY recognizes no one. NYC even threatened out of state active police officers with arrests if they came to the city armed from Florida I believe. They came and left happily.

Being a retired police officer and licensed to carry concealed, I can qualify each year for permission to carry in all states under Federal Law HR218. I think retired police officers in Vermont may also have a problem, since HR218 requires a license where you reside.

Because I'm lazy and spend a lot of time in Pa. I simply got a Florida carry, which is good for 5 years. Different states that accept licenses from other states sometimes restrict those licenses to only residents of those states. Be careful. For example, being a non Florida resident many states like NH won't allow me to carry there, cause they only recognize Florida residents. A friend of mine has a target permit in NY and wanted a cwp in Pa., cause he has a vacation home there, but was told because he didn't have a concealed carry in NY they wouldn't give it to him. He then got a cwp from Florida and can now carry in Pa..
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Old March 16, 2012, 08:34 PM   #8
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Florida will issue a resident of any state, including Vermont, a non resident permit.

It can be done thru the mail.

It is the most widely reciprocated CCW in the USA.

Just get one....


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Old March 16, 2012, 08:56 PM   #9
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Florida carry

Seems Like that would cover PA. I would like to cover NH that would about do it for me.
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Old March 16, 2012, 09:00 PM   #10
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NH does not recognize the Florida license, unless you are a Florida resident.
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Old March 16, 2012, 11:23 PM   #11
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Same for MI, must be a resident of the state that issued. This is where HR 822 would help
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Old March 17, 2012, 03:37 AM   #12
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It's true that some states only recognize permits held by other states by residents of those states. Colorado is being sued over this - oral arguments in a federal circuit court appeal in the Peterson case are happening on the 19th of this month.

Gray Peterson is a WA state resident with both that and a Utah permit. CO recognizes UT permits but only by UT residents. Worse, the city of Denver refuses to recognize open carry so Peterson has no legal carry recourse at all in Denver.
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Old March 17, 2012, 03:57 AM   #13
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I think if I lived in Vermont,I probably would not leave it to go anywhere unless it was necessary.
Living here, that is the attitude I have assumed. I've done a lot of traveling, and now I really like being at home.

I am listening closely to this, though, as the lack of reciprocity is an issue for us in VT. About the only drawback I can think of of having such sensible gun laws; there's nothing for other states to recognize.
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Old March 17, 2012, 06:04 AM   #14
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Veromonter, the answer is: it depends.

I ran into the same problem with having a RI CCW. No one has reciprocity (well, just a very few and it's not 2-way reciprocity). So I can get a Florida if I want, but there are a number of states that will not recognize it because it is not my state of residence. A number of the states will, some will not. You need to check each state to confirm.

I ended up getting a CT, NH, ME and PA license because they were easy and the places I generally go. I would like to get a MASS license but it's a little more difficult and costs $100 a year- and you have to reapply EVERY year. I just do my best to stay out of MASS if I can.
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Old March 17, 2012, 07:27 AM   #15
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I think if I lived in Vermont,I probably would not leave it to go anywhere unless it was necessary.
I came to this conclusion in 1994 after returning from SLC, Utah on a 6-month stint for work...

I have not left the borders of Vermont since then, except for the occasional troll across the deep water line into New York while fishing Salmon...
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Old March 17, 2012, 07:28 PM   #16
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If I could find work in VT, I would move there myself. Best state in the Union. Hands down. I can find no fault with Vermont. And half of my ancestors are buried there and founded most of the villages in the Northeast Kingdom. Just another bonus.
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Old March 17, 2012, 08:38 PM   #17
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Being a retired police officer and licensed to carry concealed, I can qualify each year for permission to carry in all states under Federal Law HR218. I think retired police officers in Vermont may also have a problem, since HR218 requires a license where you reside.
No it doesn't. It requires that you be requalified annually by the department from which you retired or, if you live out of state, by the state police in your state of residence, and you must carry with you documentation of your retired status and your qualification. I am 98.73 percent certain there is no requirement to hold a carry license/permit from your home state. Please cite the portion of the law that says this.
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Old March 17, 2012, 08:52 PM   #18
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Old March 17, 2012, 09:11 PM   #19
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And this is the biggest reason I rank Alaska above Vermont as far as best gun state... Alaska residents can get a permit for reciprocity with other states, yet no one in Alaska needs a permit to carry (Constitutional Carry, mirror of VT's)...

Florida non-res permit is your best bet. Widely accepted, though some states do not recognize non-res permits.
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Old March 17, 2012, 10:44 PM   #20
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Ah, but Alaska is huge and in the middle of Canada. Vermont is a gorgeous state, within spitting distance of Boston, Worcester, Amherst/Northampton (which are a lot of fun), Hartford and even New York. In Vermont, you're actually within a reasonable distance to American civilization, if you desire. In Alaska you might as well be in another country (and those Canadians are all weird).
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Old March 19, 2012, 01:20 PM   #21
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Aguila Blanca, I don't know for sure and that's why I said I think and I didn't know for sure whether, or not under HR218 a retired police officer was required to present to LE of another state his proof of qualification within the past year, as well as his department ID and carry permit where he, or she resides. It was mentioned to me some time ago that your carry permit must be shown. Since my permit's always in my wallet anyway it's no big deal. Vermont is an unusual situation.

For me it's a pain in the rear end to get qualified each year due to the fact I'm not travelling anywhere that my Florida license won't cover me. Why should I have to go out of my way and pay $80 a year to keep being requalified?

I'll leave additional research into this question for others not as old and lazy as I am.

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Old March 19, 2012, 01:46 PM   #22
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I'd get an AZ permit before UT or FL. Very little training (a hunter safety course or NRA safety course will do), less cost for permit and last 5 years.

UT requires a special UT-specific course; not sure about FL, but the cost of the permit is $117, but it lasts 7 years.

I use these maps to determine where I can carry legally with what permit: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html

Good luck.
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Old March 19, 2012, 02:03 PM   #23
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I set aside my laziness and checked a couple of things out. Under HR218 it's required to show a retiree's department ID card and proof of qualification within the past year. You can only carry the weapon you qualified with. You can qualify with two.

I went further to check out the Florida requirements for non resident cwp. There's no problem carrying in Vermont "GOD bless them", but since there is no licensing Florida will not issue any permit to anyone who is not licensed to carry in their home state. Therefore, they will not issue a permit to a resident of Vermont. It's written very clearly on their website. That's a real shame.

The odd thing is that a friend of mine only has a NY target permit, but was issued a Florida carry permit in order to carry in Pa.. I guess some people fall through the cracks. Lucky him!
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Old March 19, 2012, 02:18 PM   #24
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FTG-05, I have a retired PO friend in Vegas who didn't want to bother like me to qualify for HR218 every year and also got an Arizona license, which he says is great and a breeze to renue.

Florida just requires proof of a gun safety course. Copy of police ID is good enough. Also, their website is always current where carrying is concerned. When I just went on it showed Iowa was just added for carry in January and Nevada was removed in 2009 when they refused to recognize Florida. In addition there are code #'s next to each state that indicates what you're allowed to carry in addition to a gun, such as a knife and whether, or not non resident licenses are recognized, etc..
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Old March 19, 2012, 07:55 PM   #25
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NH Non Resident

Looks like this is the ticket for me. It will NH VT PA and NC. This covers the states where I travel often even as a non resident permit. I am going to take the needed steps and apply.
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