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Old March 6, 2012, 02:07 PM   #1
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Belted ammunition

Does being set-up to accept belted ammo make an item and NFA item? Had a builder tell me he can't make a gun that accepts belted ammo unless it is a pre-ban receiver.
I am currently in Ohio.
Never heard this before and I thought pre-ban didn't matter outside the coastal states.
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Old March 6, 2012, 02:26 PM   #2
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http://www.valkyriearmament.com/

Those guys are in Ohio. They convert ARs to belt fed. Whoever told you that probably doesn't know what they are talking about.

Lakeside sells a belt fed .22. No restrictions on that.

There are all manner of semi auto belt fed 1919 clones floating around.
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Old March 6, 2012, 02:33 PM   #3
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Well, the 1919s all use old receivers and the ARs could.
22s also. I am not sure. I know there are many belt fed around, but this is a unique design, so I can't get an old receiver for it.
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Old March 6, 2012, 03:01 PM   #4
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The NFA does not address the type of feed system, only how the gun fires and some items like barrel length. The defunct Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) did, and some state laws may, but not the current NFA.

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Old March 6, 2012, 03:06 PM   #5
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Nothing wrong with semi-auto belt fed guns. However, when you convert a gun to belt-feed, you need to make sure that you are not doing anything to make the gun too easy to convert the gun to FA. I.e. if you design the belt-feed and gun to fire from an open bolt, you could have a problem.
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Old March 6, 2012, 03:43 PM   #6
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John, what is this unique design you are after?
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Old March 7, 2012, 12:20 PM   #7
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well, it is a gatling design, more a handcranked mini-gun than a traditional brass gatling.
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Old March 7, 2012, 01:05 PM   #8
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NFA doesn't have a problem with belt fed per say. Ohio state law is a problem though: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.11
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Old March 7, 2012, 01:22 PM   #9
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I didn't think about that. I will have to redouble my efforts to remove that provision. The builder is not in Ohio though. May be a common provision.
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Old March 8, 2012, 09:17 PM   #10
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Quote:

Well, the 1919s all use old receivers

A full auto 1919 side plate is worth $15,000+- . With a new (semi) side plate they can be picked up for $1k.

This one cost me $750

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Old March 9, 2012, 08:34 AM   #11
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In Ohio NFA items are legal, so if i got a stamp for this it would be legal.
The maker sent me a general price quote for it and I could buy several 1919As and rig them together for the $40,000 quoted.
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Old March 9, 2012, 08:56 AM   #12
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No new FA for us normal folks after 5-19-86. The above "rifle" is not subject to NFA as it's just a semiauto.

If you want to waist ammo almost as fast as a FA can you can build a gatling style crank (also non NFA and legal) like this.




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Old March 9, 2012, 09:07 AM   #13
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Yes, but if it were short barreled rifle or something else I am quite certain being a destructive device in Ohio is legal. I would have to talk to an attorney or at least a knowledgeable NFA dealer, but I believe that is how the law works.
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Old March 9, 2012, 11:18 AM   #14
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Although I have never seen a 1919 cut down it would be an SBR not a DD. Also, if it is a machinegun you can have any barrel length with only the machinegun stamp.
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Destructive device by Ohio law, not NFA. I believe Ohio law calls everything "bad" a DD. The law is cited above, and I have read it all before, but I can't remember and getting the terminology perfect isn't worth the boring read. All NFA items are exempt from Ohio firearms laws(can be designed to fire from mag or system of 32 rounds in this case).
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It's 31 rounds here in Ohio. 32 rounds makes it a DD as per the weapon definitions in the ORC. A machine gun, short barreled rifle or shotgun are also considderd DDs per O.R.C. 2923.11. If you have NFA paper work the 31 round law goes out the window as was proven in Ohio v. Tim Terell. (2923.17)

The feed system does not determine if something is regulated by the NFA

You can't "get a stamp" for something unless you mean you are going to build something on form 1 (can't make new machineguns) or buy something on form 4.

There is also a Destructive Device licence in Ohio. 2923.18(5) It's pretty vague but I have met with a man at the Tusco rifle club who has a Ohio DD licence for his drum or belt fed semi autos. As there is no licence form available he had his attorney make a little packet to take to his Sheriff to sign.

YMMV

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Old March 9, 2012, 01:02 PM   #17
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Interesting, i did not know that. Does that mean I could get one for my Glock(or 9mm carbine that takes Glock mags) and then be able to use the 33 rd mags legally. Any idea if there was a fee from the sheriff? Have to check this out.
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Old March 9, 2012, 01:09 PM   #18
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I want to say it was $50 but I honestly can't recall.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio Revised Code
In the discretion of the issuing authority, any responsible person, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used for a legitimate research, scientific, educational, industrial, or other proper purpose.
With language like that, you might want to get your attorney on it...

I'll see if I can get into contact with someone who can give better information on it.
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Old March 16, 2012, 09:50 AM   #19
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Stopped in to see my Sheriff today. He indicated he had no problem giving me a license, but had no idea what it was, so I just sent him an e-mail with a picture of the form and the revised code citation.
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