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Old March 14, 2012, 01:43 PM   #1
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Colt AR 15 with carry handle, scope ?

How practicle is it to mount a scope on a Colt AR 15 that has a permanent carry handle ? Is there any draw backs ?
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Old March 14, 2012, 01:53 PM   #2
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It can be done, but it is significantly less than ideal.

Cons-

1. Have to have a stock cheek riser to get a good cheek weld.
2. Height over bore is significantly higher on a already high gun.
3. The cheek spacer makes it somewhat akward to use the charging handle.

I tried it because I wanted to build a gun that looked like a Colt Delta H-Bar.

I took it all off after the 1st outing with it. I didn't like it at all.

But it is usable, just not ideal in my experience.
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Old March 14, 2012, 02:44 PM   #3
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Cons-

1. Have to have a stock cheek riser to get a good cheek weld.
2. Height over bore is significantly higher on a already high gun.
3. The cheek spacer makes it somewhat akward to use the charging handle.
+1, I had that setup and it actually worked fine as far as cheek weld (with the riser) but it did make the charging handle quite awkward to use and the optics quite high about the bore. I ended up buying a flat top reciever and changing mine out so I could put the scope mounts directly to the reciever. Much more comfortable, less added on parts and optics much closer to the bore.
In fact, check out the for sale section if you are looking for this setup, I have the mounts, the riser and the rail for sale. I'll shoot you a bargain just to get rid of them. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479161

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Old March 14, 2012, 05:07 PM   #4
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what would the cost be to replace the carry handle upper receiver with a flat top ?
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Old March 14, 2012, 05:20 PM   #5
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Old March 14, 2012, 05:34 PM   #6
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what would the cost be to replace the carry handle upper receiver with a flat top ?
$110 and then just need to have someone swap your barrel assembly over.
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Old March 14, 2012, 06:13 PM   #7
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I use an M16A1 upper with fixed carry handle and find that using a 4 power combat style short scope is no problem at all.
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Old March 14, 2012, 06:55 PM   #8
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I am in Buffalo NY
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Old March 14, 2012, 07:04 PM   #9
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I could swap it out for you if you'd like, but shipping to and from Wyoming may make it less of a "deal" than you can find closer.

I'd do the work for $35 if you pay the shipping and the cost of the stripped upper I can get you a stripped upper for $95

So $95 + $35 = $130 + shipping X 2 will cover it all, but the shipping may be a deal breaker.
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Old March 14, 2012, 07:48 PM   #10
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Too bad Rebs isn't in Buffalo, Wyoming. Lovely little town on the east side of the Big Horns and just a few hours drive from Wyosmith in Shoshoni.
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Old March 14, 2012, 09:10 PM   #11
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Well heck Scharfschuetzer, Wy. and N.Y. are only 2 inches apart on my globe.
It looks like he's just down the road a little ways to the east .............
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Old March 15, 2012, 06:01 AM   #12
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It well depend on the type of handle mount and the size of the scope if you need a cheek raiser or not.

I have two AR's that I shoot with handle mounted scopes. This A1 with a Colt 4X scope. The 4X is adequate out to 300yds+.


This is a Hakko 4X(Hakko makes the Colt 4X scope) mounted on a removable carry handle. I use this on my M4gery some times.
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Old March 15, 2012, 06:40 AM   #13
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Another con: If you don't use a cheek riser with a scope on the handle,you will have a very awkward cheek weld which would hurt your accuracy and being comfortable while shooting. I'd agree with everybody else. I'd swap it fo r a flat top if your set on a scope. I've tried to use a scope on my handle top and it sucks believe me.
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Old March 15, 2012, 06:47 AM   #14
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options

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The 4X is adequate out to 300yds+.
Another option - unless you really need a scope - replace the factory irons a set of national match irons. Highpower Service rifle shooters use them out to 600 yards. A lot simpler.
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Old March 15, 2012, 11:08 AM   #15
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I just am thinking with my eyes and my trifocals that a scope would make it a lot easier for me to see better.
Maybe those national match sights would be enough.
Do the national match sights come on a Colt match target AR 15 ? Or how expensive are they ?
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Rebs,

they are an after market purchase. A couple of different manuracturers make them and I've seen them in 1/4 MOA adjustments as well as 1/2 MOA adjustments. You can also get thinner front sight posts too. I like the standard width, but that's just me. I'm not sure what they cost now, but I'd guess a hundred dollar bill would cover a set.

My NM sight has 1/2 MOA deflection and elevation and was made by Armalite.

I have an old 3X Colt scope that I put on my HBAR for testing new bullets and what not and it's useful for prairie dog shooting too. True, it's a bit high, but it's not unusable either.
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Old March 16, 2012, 07:46 AM   #17
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I just am thinking with my eyes and my trifocals that a scope would make it a lot easier for me to see better.
Maybe those national match sights would be enough.
Do the national match sights come on a Colt match target AR 15 ? Or how expensive are they ?
I'm in the same boat. The scope really helps with my vision. I do have a 18" A2 rifle I setup with NM irons, but anything past 2-300 yds I much prefer having a optic to help my tri-focal vision.

The small tube handle mount scope does not change your cheek placement, as it is less than 1" higher than the irons.

You can replicate NM AR sights with just the flip peep, these can be had from MidwayUSA for around 10 bucks. You can also change out the front post for a finer point size. A true .5 moa NM rear set can run 50-100+ bucks depending on brand and if it is pinned to the receiver.
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Old March 30, 2012, 02:12 PM   #18
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colt scope

does anyone know where I could get one of the old colt scopes ?
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Old March 30, 2012, 02:25 PM   #19
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Probably one of the auction sites but you are going to pay through the nose. They have a very high collector value.
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Old March 31, 2012, 08:45 AM   #20
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does anyone know where I could get one of the old colt scopes ?
Evil bay or Gunbroker well have them often. Expect to pay up to $300+ for one in good condition. There are cheap ($40) import clones of the Colt 4X.

Watch out of FAKE COLT 3 and 4X scopes, with the prices up it has brought the fakers out.
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Old March 31, 2012, 11:06 AM   #21
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I wish I knew if that yankee hill machine upper would match my colt lower as far as fit and finish and color ?

also it is for M4 feed ramps and I don't know if the colt I have on lay away has M4 feed ramps, it was built in 2009 ?
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Old March 31, 2012, 11:51 PM   #22
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If it was built in 09, it will have the M4 feedramps.

They're really only needed for rapid fire, so it's a moot point for many shooters.
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What Crowhunter says. I had the Colt Rubber armored 3x9 scope on my HBar and shot it w/out a cheek piece. That took some getting used to, but it can be done. Once a cheek piece is installed, it is awfully hard to use the iron sights.
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Old April 1, 2012, 06:13 AM   #24
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Thank you guys for all your help. I think for me it would be a mistake to buy the colt carry handle top gun. Instead I believe I will go with a Stag model 4 flattop.
I haven't been able to find a colt flat top stripped receiver to change out, so buying the colt would be buying something a gun that doesn't fit my wants or needs and would have to be altered right off the get go.
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