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Old March 6, 2012, 07:24 PM   #1
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Need advice on 1951 colt navy

Hey I'm new to the forum, but have been an enthusiast for awhile. I saw this was the best forum to talk guns so here goes...

My mother and I share a safety deposit box and I remembered that last time I went with her in 2005 (I was 21) and I noticed an old gun in the box. It never crossed my mind until just recently when I have really gained interest in guns as far as owning a shooting a lot of them. So I went to the box today out of curiosity to check the gun out. I was hoping for like a 60s-70s s&w or something that I could trade towards a nice sniper rifle. To make a long story short what I found is what I believe to be a genuine real deal 1951 colt navy...from all the pictures I think it's a true original colt. It has beautiful patina and looks awesome. (I couldn't even get the cylinder to slide open, until I realized it don't operate like that lol) anyway my question is what are the markings/characteristics to spot a fake? Also what kind of value/interest are there in this gun if real deal?

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Thanks in advance for the help/info...funny think is I was thinking about buying a Mosin-Nagant, I would think there is a little price differenc between the two lol....thanks
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:18 PM   #2
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I'm not a pro at spotting a forgery, but if it's the real deal you are off by about 100 years (1851, not 1951).
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:26 PM   #3
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I must of posted wrong date...sorry bout that lol...you can see the patina and I know that more than 60 years old for sure...what do you think?
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:31 PM   #4
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Looks the part but somebody put the wedge in upside down.
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:35 PM   #5
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The wedge is inserted correctly, but looks like a replacement, as I do not see a spring.
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:37 PM   #6
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I meant 1851...
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:38 PM   #7
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Look at the next to last pic.
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:46 PM   #8
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That's what I am looking at. The gun is upside down in that view. The lip on the wedge faces the bottom of the gun.
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:52 PM   #9
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What do you guys mean by wedge, im dumb when it comes to percussion bc i e been spoiled on seni auto handguns...The barrell has the same patina...any other pics I can give you to make it easier for you to tell?
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Old March 6, 2012, 08:57 PM   #10
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That's what I am looking at. The gun is upside down in that view. The lip on the wedge faces the bottom of the gun.
Guess I'm just being all around dumb tonite.
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Old March 6, 2012, 09:51 PM   #11
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The nipples are gone. Is the serial number 388XXX? If so it was made between 1854 - 1855.
Does the cylinder rotate when you cock the hammer? The chambers look pretty rusty. How does the bore look? (inside the barrel). Can you get the wedge out? I'm guessing it's pretty well stuck.
The barrel address is good.
Can you take more pics?
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:08 PM   #12
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someone held that in their hands more than 150 years ago.

very nice, looks in pretty good shape.

if authentic, would that piece be valuable as a collector's item?

if not, could it be cleaned up and fired safely?
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:14 PM   #13
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Are the nipples something that collectors need to have original or did people change them periodically? Do you guys think I should not touch the light rust in the barrell and cylinders? To answer the action is perfect...half and full cocks work good...you can pull the wedge out just by pinching it with fingers...I'm happy to see everything is mechanically perfect in the action...so what do you think real McCoy?

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Let me know what you guys think...the rust looks like surface bc this gun has been in safety dePosit box for the last 60-70 years...
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:16 PM   #14
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:17 PM   #15
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:23 PM   #16
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Hey sandman I thought the same thing...it could of been wild bill hicocks you never know...the history is way more interesting to me than the money that's for sure...a 150 years is just amazing to me...I felt like pawn stars or american guns lol...at first I thought it was a dragoon and I was freakin until I measured the bore out to be .36...the look of that decade and half old case hardened patina is just the best finish I have ever seen...anyone have a colt navy to compare mine to yours?
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:27 PM   #17
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Is that cylinder partially loaded?
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:35 PM   #18
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Well, if I read the serial number right - 38349 - it's a late 3rd model Navy made in 1854.
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Old March 6, 2012, 11:46 PM   #19
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no its not loaded! lol...its like a side shot of the side of the lightly rusted cylinder...

How is it a late model if they were made til 1873? 1956 is only 5 years after the first one...i know the fourth model had "address sam l colt new york city america" whereas mine doesnt have the america, just new york...

So bottom line is it the real deal? What rating on a scale of 1-10 considering the 150 year old age?
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Old March 7, 2012, 12:47 AM   #20
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Oh heck, just sell or trade it to me.............

I have lots to bargain with!
Really!
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Old March 7, 2012, 01:25 AM   #21
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what ya got? i am looking for something long range like 500+ yards...also feel free to make on offer publically or privately at wildcamaro@yahoo.com...it would at minimum let me see what the market looks like
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Old March 7, 2012, 05:14 AM   #22
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Wonder why they filed the rear sight off?
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Old March 7, 2012, 05:49 AM   #23
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Wonder why they filed the rear sight off?
It looks more like it was broken off in one of the pictures.

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Old March 7, 2012, 05:57 AM   #24
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Did you ask your mother if she knew anything about the history of the gun? It may have some family significance that is worth more than anything you can get out of it.
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Old March 7, 2012, 07:10 AM   #25
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It's not rare and the cylinder is in tough shape. I would remove as much rust as possible to keep it from deteriorating further. That's not a popular thing to do with antiques but...that's my opinion. Or you could leave it as it is and just enjoy it's history, which, if you knew, would make it worth keeping in its current condition. Does your mother know its history?
Other than the cylinder, it doesn't look too bad (needs a new hammer to make it a shooter). I wonder what the internals look like...
I've seen originals with 2nd generation cylinders that fit well. That might be an option if you wanted to shoot it.
So...sell it on gunbroker as is
Clean it up and make it a shooter
Keep it as it is for what it is (researching it can be alot of fun)
Me? I would clean it up and make it a shooter.

For what it's worth...I bought a Mosin Nagant for $99 at Cabellas. I got 440 rounds shipped to my house for about the same. I paid $450 for an original 1851 Navy .36 a few years ago that's in really good shape.
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