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Old February 18, 2012, 11:30 AM   #1
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saiga .308!?

thinking real hard on the saiga IZ137 chambered in .308. the price is great, great platform, great round. accuracy seeing as how its an ak variant probably isnt bullseye at 200 yard but the round might help. was thinking on an ar now im debating on one of these instead. any expereince on it? any thoughts?
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Old February 18, 2012, 12:25 PM   #2
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they are bullseye accurate at 200 yds.


to be fair thats my best group. Average at 200 meters is just under 3"
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Old February 18, 2012, 12:31 PM   #3
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I have 2. One is converted, and the other is the wood stocked version. Both long barrels. I have had them for years, and I can't remember even one jam with either one. I used to shoot steel gongs out to 600 yards with them and their accuracy was fine for me. Killed a lot of old fire extinguishers at 300 yards as well. The 8 shot mags convert to 10 shot in just a few minutes and have been very reliable from my experience. Sadly, the $20.00 200 round battle packs of .308 ammo are long gone so they don't get much action anymore.


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Old February 18, 2012, 12:38 PM   #4
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Get it. I had the x39 version, great gun but just a range plinker. The 308 is a serious round and the gun will actually be useful.
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Old February 18, 2012, 02:50 PM   #5
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id like a pistol girp conf. how difficult/expensive is it to do so?

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Old February 18, 2012, 07:12 PM   #6
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Its a piece of cake. Cost wise you are looking at $150 or so depending on parts.
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Old February 18, 2012, 08:12 PM   #7
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thats great! i also bookmarked some pages which document this process step by step. ive sent emails to the gun dealer to supply me with fax to send to my ffl for shipment/transfer. was thinking real hard on an ar but i like the .308 better than 5.56.Theres more can be done with it and .308 ball here is around 3.00 more per box than 5.56. plus i think the aks a bit more rugged platform. looking more and more like a winner here
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Old February 18, 2012, 09:16 PM   #8
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Really like mine in 308 makes a good truck gun.Mines about 4 years old use it for hog hunting not the first FTF yet even under hard core fast use its alot of fun. try it out give them a chance.
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Old February 19, 2012, 12:04 AM   #9
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I just aquired the 308-1. Local range not open till April. have to weight to shoot it. 308-1 long barrel, monte carlo stock, simmons 4.5 14x40 wa/wo.
a little weighty though.
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Old February 19, 2012, 12:31 AM   #10
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crankgrinder there are also videos like this one:
http://vimeo.com/2787027

After I have all parts on hand to make the thing 922r legal, The first thing I do is field strip, take out the fcg and take off the factory furniture. I then tape up any areas I think are going to be near a file or vise and block off the bore with tape or a patch. Next I take a large flat file and grind off the rivet heads that hold on the sporter plate. I work from the outside. There is also a weld in the middle that I use a dremel and small grinding tip on. You basically take your dremel to that one and eat it out. Next I take a hammer and chisel and drive the chisel between the sporter plate and receiver in front and back at some point with enough struggle, the plate will be removed, along with the trigger guard. Since I always use a bolt on guard from Dinzag I don't save the old one but you might want to if you want to reuse it. After that I take some 400-600 grit paper and clean up the bare metal where the plate was. Sometimes there is a little rust there. Clean that up good and paint black. Then I mount the new trigger guard, and install the new US internals and pistol grip. Another step is if you are installing an Ace sidefolder you have to cut off the rear tang, file that off flush with the back of the receiver and paint that black or cold blue it. Then put your internal block, folding mechanism and finally Ace skeleton stock. The Ace stock gives you optional positions so you can raise it up for cheek weld with optics or lower it down. My typical parts include: Tapco SAW or K-Var US grip, Ace folding stock or Kvar US stock, SGM polymer handguard or factory handguard, Dinzag modified 2-stage Arsenal trigger group., and either a retaining plate for the trigger and hammer pins or clips. Don't throw away your old parts before you're done to ensure that you have all the pins and springs you might need. When you are done do a safety and function check to ensure the safety is blocking the FCG like it should.
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Old February 19, 2012, 11:20 PM   #11
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thanx for that link. saved it for later. video makes it look realy simple. dont know if ill do the mod or give one of those aftermarket pistol grip rigs a try. in the end it may all come down to the mag disconnect location and length of pull.
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Old February 20, 2012, 09:20 AM   #12
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the conversion brings the rifle back toward you several inches, improving handling characteristics. The conversion also lets you put in a decent trigger. There is no reason from a shooting standpoint not to convert, but one might choose not to for other reasons. You can get the same length of pull either way. It's a great rifle.
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Old February 20, 2012, 01:36 PM   #13
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o,O

Quote:
they are bullseye accurate at 200 yds.
What does that mean exactly? I see no rounds in the bullseye (unless you count the whole ring as a bullseye) . I'm not trying to be an a$$, I'm just wondering what you meant.
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Old February 20, 2012, 03:29 PM   #14
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Now of COURSE I would love me an M1A, maybe even two, a Loaded and a Scout Squad or Socom model.... but they're crazy expensive. And I'd be so careful with it I'd not want to do anything with it because i'd be afraid to get a scratch or drop of oil or even make the action move internally lol.


The Saiga .308 could be a wonderfully fun and cheap alternative to say the Socom 16/Scout Squad M1A... You can make the Saiga look a bunch of different ways, you can put an Ultimak rail on it for an Aimpoint/Eotech sight up front for CQB, mount a real scope rail on it for a DMR application, put a full quad rail on it for an Aimpoint, an Angled Fore Grip, XTM Panels, and go to town (my personal idea sometimes) ... would make such an ideal high powered-caliber "ranch rifle" / "truck gun" etc.

And seriously, how can you go wrong for the price? You could seriously get the Saiga, DECK IT OUT with an Aimpoint or EOTech of your choice, a quad rail, fore grip, rail panel covers, and at LEAST a couple hundred rounds of ammo, for the same price as an M1A, probably you'd be CHEAPER or you'd get a ton of ammo... I know it's not an M1A but still!
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Old February 20, 2012, 07:36 PM   #15
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i wanted that m14/m1a for years but your right the price is just outrageous. ive got my saiga on order now for 499.00 which i still think is a good price considering the alternative and if anything ill have a realy cool project to deck out. i have heard that some saigas do not have the trigger hole under the plate requiring you to cut one yourself, ill tryand look at it and see if ill have to but i work at a machine shop so oh well. I think this rifle will be a great alternative to the m1a or that ar i was going to build which is now on the shelf until later.
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