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Old February 18, 2012, 07:16 PM   #1
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Done with Remington Golden 22lr

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I've shot a lot of Remington Golden 22LR mostly cause you can get it in the brick pretty cheaply. The local hardware store had Some Blazer on sale so I grabbed a bunch. Shot them today via S&W22a and realized that I've been taking it for granted that 22lr will have a lot of duds. Wrong. It's the Rem. Golden that has a lot of duds. The Blazers cycled through with out a single dud. Fifty rounds and not one misfire. I rarely shot a whole magazine of Rem. Golden without one or two duds in the ten rounds.

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Old February 18, 2012, 07:18 PM   #2
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I believe anything .22 cal related in Remington ammo is an absolute waste of your money. At least 50-60 % of the ammo I have shot has been dud.
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Old February 18, 2012, 07:42 PM   #3
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I've fired probably two dozen boxes of Remington Gold Bullet

This'll make you two guys mad, but I get 3 or 4 duds in every pack of 525; that's it. Doesn't matter if I'm shooting my MKIII, or my P22, and my P22 has been on a steady diet of the stuff, upwards of 10,000 rounds. I've had very few malfunctions with that pistol using RGB, and zero with the MKIII, except for the above mentioned 3 or 4 per box that fail to fire.

I'm a charmed firearm owner. I read a fair bit here on TFL about how RGB sucks, but it works fine for me. I read how P22s suck here too, mine's been reliable and accurate and problem free. I also read about how MKIIIs have all sorts of problems. Not mine. Luckiest. Pistol. Buyer. Ever.

I find it hard to believe that a claimed 50 to 60 percent fail to fire, Bittervinom. You're not exaggerating to prove a point, are you? Maybe just a lil bit?
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Old February 18, 2012, 08:13 PM   #4
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I've personally seen 10% failure to ignite out of Remington rimfire ammo. This is quite annoying when that translates to one every magazine.

I've not had anywhere near the same trouble with any other brand, even the bulk packs.

I won't buy Remington rimfire anymore, period.
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Old February 18, 2012, 08:25 PM   #5
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I pretty much agree, the Golden packs are junk. The LRN (thunderbolt I think?) are actually quite a bit more reliable for me. The Yellow Jackets have also performed very well for me and are my round of choice for both my Marlin 60 and Remington Viper.

I've had no such problems with the bulk Winchester packs.

The Viper will feed and fire just about anything I give it, the Marlin however is quite picky. If it works in the Marlin it's good in my book.
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Old February 18, 2012, 08:32 PM   #6
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I've been shooting a lot of the Remington .22 shorts lately without a single malfunction.
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Old February 18, 2012, 08:34 PM   #7
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My marlin Model 60, Ruger 10/22, Remington 597, Walther P22, and my favorite Browning love the CCI's and Yellow jackets (Better QC). Just the bulk remmy boxes suck for me in all my .22's
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Old February 18, 2012, 10:42 PM   #8
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To be fair. . .

To be fair to Remington my 10/22 choice is the yellow jackets. It's just the bulk golden that I have given up on.
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Old February 19, 2012, 01:04 AM   #9
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This'll make you two guys mad, but I get 3 or 4 duds in every pack of 525; that's it.
Well, so far I haven't had a dud at all with the GBs in bulk. And none with the Winchesters. Of the bulk ammo, only Federal has been bad for me and then it was the brown box of 550. 10-15% failure rate, mostly underloaded and therefore not cycling.
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Old February 19, 2012, 01:17 AM   #10
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The GB feeds fine in my Plinkster but hangs on my 22/45. It works fairly well in my Henry.
I dont have that problem with roundnoses so Ive started buying Federal bricks and leave the GB for the rifles.
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Old February 19, 2012, 02:28 AM   #11
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I've got three marlin mod 60s and two of them love them (accurate) wise and only about 2-3 duds per brick so I have about 5 bricks left. So go ahead and don't buy them that way I know there will be some on the shelf for me.
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Old February 19, 2012, 05:42 AM   #12
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Used to be that was all I would shoot as it ran better than the CCI and Win stuff in my guns. Last few bricks I got jammed a rem auto that I cant recall ever jamming and would not run in a 10-22. The trash cheep thunderbolts work better than the new costly HV stuff they sell.

And no, any duds is not a idea. Thats why I went to Rem vs Win .22s like 35 years ago as they did not have 2-3 duds per brick.
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Old February 19, 2012, 09:16 AM   #13
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Ive shot a lot of Remington golden bullets over the years and have never had one fail to go boom when I pulled the trigger.Perhaps it has something to do with the quality/design of the gun being used.
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Old February 19, 2012, 11:03 AM   #14
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I am somewhat disappointed with the Remington golden 22lr round

I have always felt the Remington Company produced excellent products. My Dad bought my Mom a Remington model 511 22lr for their first anniversary of marriage. Al least that is the story Mom tells. Fantastic rifle. I don't remember duds in 22lr ammunition back then.

Today, my use of the Golden bullet has been disappointing. I purchased an Advantage Arms 22lr conversion kit for my Glock 21. The manufacturer recommended the Remington Golden Bullet. I bought a couple bricks of the Golden bullets and was disappointed with the number of duds I had. I had read that this conversion unit had a lot of misfires. I tried the golden bullet with other 22lr rifles and pistols and found out that the misfires was not the Advantage Arms unit but with the ammunition. I have used other copper plated ammunition with out any problems or high number of misfires. Still enjoy the quality made Remington 511. Hate to see a good company loose a good reputation. I have been very happy with the Advantage Arms conversion unit.

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Old February 19, 2012, 11:19 AM   #15
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Agree the Golden Remmington is least reliable for use in a semi
auto. I shot up my last 550 box a number of years ago in my bolt
action rifles. It works just fine out of a bolt action and if it fails
just keep a little pile on the bench with you and give them a second
chance to fire. They generally fire for me.

The Federal 550 Bulk is a buck less expensive than the Remmington
Bulk at Walmart. It cycles my 4 Browning semi autos just fine-- less
than 1% FTF, FTE.

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Old February 19, 2012, 11:26 AM   #16
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I've tried a bunch of different ammo, and the Remington has been the only one with more than 1 or 2 duds per box. I'd guess they run around 5-10% of a 550 round box, some will fire with multiple strikes, some are just plain duds.

The first couple boxes of Federal I shot went 100%, the last couple have had a lot of FTF and FTE. Not nearly as bad as the Winchester was, but one per mag average. Maybe just a bad batch.

So far 4 boxes of CCI Blazer have shot 100%, in fact I'm going to pick up more today. It's just slightly more expensive than the Federal, but not by much. Funny that Walmart's price on the Federal is cheaper for the 330 round than the 525, not sure why that is but oh well...
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Old February 19, 2012, 11:38 AM   #17
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I expect a few .22s to not go off, honestly. That said, minimags have never failed for me. But rimfire is rimfire
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Old February 19, 2012, 12:22 PM   #18
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Ive shot a lot of Remington golden bullets over the years and have never had one fail to go boom when I pulled the trigger.Perhaps it has something to do with the quality/design of the gun being used.
Not in my case. I have found Remington to be junk also, and I inspect all dud rounds. My Ruger MKIII gives a very solid, healthy strike of the firing pin.
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Old February 19, 2012, 02:00 PM   #19
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Sad. 40 years ago, Remington Golden Bullets were the best you could commonly buy. Today, apparently not.

The primary cause for dud .22s is the priming compound not being evenly distributed around the inside of the rim. This happens in the manufacturing process, and there's nothing the shooter can do about it, except shoot the brand with the least misfires.

98% of all the .22 duds I have had in my life fired when replaced in the chamber so the firing pin hit a different spot on the rim. A few did not, but very few.

The other cause of .22 duds is your gun. That's right, your gun. And it doesn't have to be a cheap gun either. When the stars line up just right, things don't go bang, even with good stuff. (but with good stuff it happens a lot less)

Was shooting with a friend, my Ruger Mk I and his S&W 41. Blazer ammo. He was getting several duds (2-3 per mag) while I got none. Also took all his duds and popped them off in my Ruger, all fired fine.

His S&W 41 (considered the cadilliac of .22 semis) just didn't shoot the cheap blazers reliably. Worked fine with several other brands, just not those.

Your gun might be the problem, or rather the interaction between your gun and a certain ammo. .22s are notoriously picky, especially semi auto pistols.

I have seen some guns choke on high dollar premium ammo and run cheap crap like water through a hose. And I have seen the opposite (and much more often). Try everything, and shoot what works best in your gun(s).
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Old February 19, 2012, 04:55 PM   #20
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Perhaps it has something to do with the quality/design of the gun being used.
Nope. Tried it in the following guns:
Colt Woodsman Match Target
S&W Model 17
Ruger 22/45 (Mk. II generation)
Sig Trailside
Browning Buckmark
Remington 597

Every last one had the same failure rate on Remington rimfire ammo, be it Thunderbolt, Golden Bullets, or Subsonic.

I still have a few hundred rounds of Remington subsonic, but once it's gone, no more Remington rimfire for me. EVER. I don't get these issues with anything else- not Federal, not Winchester, not anything else I've tried.
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Old February 19, 2012, 05:41 PM   #21
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Funny, I have shot my way through one case of 6250 and am halfway through another
The only gun that has an issue with this ammo is a Ruger 10/22, but then that POS gun has trouble with anything anyway. My Marlin 60, MK II, H&R, and other 22s have had no issues
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Old February 19, 2012, 09:38 PM   #22
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I've never understood why Remington puts its good name on such lousy ammunition.
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Old February 20, 2012, 12:29 AM   #23
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Where does Rem make Ammo?

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So given the wide variety of experiences with Remington rim fire ammo I wonder if there is a quality control problem in some lines or plants and not others. Does anyone know where Rem makes their ammo and if there is more than one manufacturing location?
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Old February 20, 2012, 01:18 AM   #24
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Its always been a good round for me. I went to the Golden about 15- 20 yrs ago, after frustrating performance with others and the Rem Golden seemed more reliable.

I have seemed to notice a bit of a slip since the ammo crunch in 2008-2009. Heck, the Rem GB was sold out in a lot of places, now its resurfaced. The recent post 2008 ammo does seem a bit off, but I'm still buying. My Savage MkII TR actually shoots quite well w/ it.
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Old February 20, 2012, 01:20 AM   #25
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Loanoak

NOt sure I've got the spelling right, but for a while I was back and forth in Arkansas, and there was a big Rem ammo plant off I-40 in Loanok, Lonoke, ????
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