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Old January 31, 2012, 04:47 PM   #1
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Just got my tax return filed........hehe!

Ok so yes sir, gonna add a few to the collection. I think I'm definately gonna get a rifle that I can shoot patched round balls out of. Its gotta be a percussion side lock. I'm liking that traditions I saw linked in another post. Do you guys think I should go with a run of the mill one like that one or justify spending a few more on a fancier version. Just what is double set triggers, and how do they work?
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Old January 31, 2012, 04:50 PM   #2
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If was me I'd get a Lyman Great Plains. The rear trigger sets the front trigger for a lighter pull. The rifle can be fired with just the front trigger only tho.
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Old January 31, 2012, 06:26 PM   #3
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OK Hawg, which one? There is a bunch of them

http://possibleshop.com/rifle-lyman.html

And 50 or 54 cal.? I would like to shoot patched round ball, but having the option to shoot both ball and bullet would be nice, Yeah now I'm confused
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Old January 31, 2012, 08:10 PM   #4
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Sorry, the Great Plains Rifle. It's about the closest you're going to get to a real Hawken with a reasonably priced production rifle. I like the .54 best. I used a .50 for years, wouldn't want one now. The GPR is a round ball twist the GPH is a conical twist. A 1:48 does ok with both but isn't best with either.
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Old January 31, 2012, 08:20 PM   #5
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Ok thanks for the tips, I'm gonna get one with a round ball twist, I already have a bullet shooter. Can't wait to order that sucker!
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Old January 31, 2012, 10:13 PM   #6
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One bit of advice about getting a new GPR -

First, the new barrel will require thorough cleaning with a universal grease solvent like brake cleaner (NOT brake fluid), followed by soap and water and then a good rust preventative, inside and out.

Second, it will take about 100 rounds before it begins to settle down and group like it's capable of doing. Either that or you can lap the barrel to dull the edges of the grooves.

They are great rifles, well worth the money. I own two, one of which is my go-to rifle (a .54 flintlock).
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Old January 31, 2012, 10:21 PM   #7
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A Hundred rounds to settle her down you say?? WELL HECK thats right up my alley Thanks for the advice.
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Old February 1, 2012, 12:42 AM   #8
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Deerslayer, this will cost you a little more money, but you will not regret looking at Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading http://www.avsia.com/tvm/ . You must also call and talk with Toni. She and Matt are the owners and you will not find nicer people who will build you a custom gun to your specs for a semi-custom price. Ask her about their Leman Rifle with a percussion lock. For the money, you will have a gun that is unique to you and will be a real shooter.
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Old February 1, 2012, 03:53 PM   #9
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Wooohooo, i won one on gb

I won a Lyman GPR on GB for 275.
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Old February 1, 2012, 03:55 PM   #10
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Congrats.
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Old February 2, 2012, 07:07 AM   #11
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Go Ahead Dude!

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Old February 2, 2012, 06:24 PM   #12
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Its down to waiting on the Big Brown Truck!!! Good Garden Peas!! I'm excited, when SWMBO tells me a package arrived I just may get sick at work and have to come home
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Old February 8, 2012, 08:49 AM   #13
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waiting on it

While I'm waiting on the GPR, I got some .530 round ball, but I didn't get the patches because I'm not exactly which ones to get. .010"?? I know I need to slug the bore but, I wanna clean it and make smoke! yeah I'm impatient In theory this thing should be somewhere in the neighborhood of .540" I know they are all different but I can adjust size of the patch. I read that some of you shove Round balls in there that are way big but if you can get in there ya'll shoot em.

I plan to use Hawg's idea of an egg sinker. I'm thinking of running some 250lb nylon through the sinker then putting a small washer on there an then an anchor knot. Lube it up with some Gatofeo and drive it in there and pull it back out. Sounds like it will work in my head .
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:32 AM   #14
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IMHO sometimes we make too big a deal over this. Most MLs, while quite accurate, aren't super duper tack drivers. I have a very similar gun to yours, a T/C Hawken re-barrelled with a Green Mtn .54. It is for round ball (1:70" twist).

Get yourself some .530s and shoot with .010-.015" lubed patch. Also get some .520s (hornady has these) and .020" patches. See which one you like best. My personal choice is the .520 rb w/.020" patch as it loads easier. Accuracy between the two is very comparable and quite good either way. I've never bore-slugged a rb barrel and been shootin' MLs for >35 yrs. Just go out and have fun...of course, if bore-slugging your barrel meets your definition of fun, by all means you should do that.
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:43 AM   #15
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if bore-slugging your barrel meets your definition of fun, by all means you should do that.
Oh I assure you its not my idea of fun. I have slugged my .303 but only because it was a mil surp and made in 1941 and I wanted to get my reloads driving tacks which it does now. Thanks for the advice though I will do just that
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Old February 8, 2012, 05:27 PM   #16
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I assume you got a .54 GPR (otherwise the .530 ball is WAY too big...).

I support slugging the bore to get exact dimensions, but frankly my experience is that the Investarms 1:60 barrels are pretty consistent in dimensions. You can pretty much count on .542 lands and .558 grooves.

I use .535 rb's with a dry lubed .015 pillow ticking patch. The sweet spot is 70 grains ffg real black with that combination. I noted a .530 with .018 pillow ticking (yes, that's hard to load), same lube worked well with 60 gr ffg real black, but frankly there wasn't a lot of difference up to 80 gr with that combination. Above 90 gr accuracy fell off badly.

Oh, by the way, that's in two GPR's, on percussion and one flintlock.
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Old February 9, 2012, 08:41 AM   #17
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I plan to use Hawg's idea of an egg sinker. I'm thinking of running some 250lb nylon through the sinker then putting a small washer on there an then an anchor knot. Lube it up with some Gatofeo and drive it in there and pull it back out. Sounds like it will work in my head
That ain't even gonna work. Don't drive it in too deep and you can run a wood screw into it and pull it with a pair of vice grips. Really don't understand why you want to slug it tho.
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Old February 9, 2012, 10:37 AM   #18
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That ain't even gonna work. Don't drive it in too deep and you can run a wood screw into it and pull it with a pair of vice grips. Really don't understand why you want to slug it tho.
Dang I always overthink everything haha, I'm not gonna slug it, now that I got ya'lls expert opinions, (which I appreciate very much) I'm gonna CHOOT EM!!
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Old February 9, 2012, 11:01 AM   #19
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The trick is to not make ramming so difficult that your ramrod will accidently snap and impale your hand.
For about $1, a thick, sturdy wooden dowel that's just under bore diameter can be purchased at the hardware or hobby store, or even in some Walmart craft departments. Then simply add a knob to the end of it to make a handle. A 7/16's dowel is pretty thick and shouldn't snap as easily as the 3/8's factory ramrod. Plus they're longer and will give more leverage for ramming all of the way down to the breech.
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Old February 9, 2012, 11:27 AM   #20
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I got a 3/8" oak dowel from Lowe's for under $2. (Our WalMart only had poplar dowels.) I like my aluminum rod for cleaning, but there is no way to slip and scratch anything with this wooden dowel. I have the "seated" depth marked really brightly, because my wife often sits with me when I shoot and she likes to load, and I can easily see that she is seating the load completely without being too obvious that I'm watching over her closely.
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Old February 10, 2012, 12:50 AM   #21
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With those dowel ramrods make sure there's no grain runout and always grip it as close to the muzzle as you can.
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Old February 11, 2012, 12:04 PM   #22
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Well I got the GPR in yesterday. I'm happy with it I guess the bore and stock look great, but I'm not sure if the finish is wore or just DIRTY, the face of the hammer (where it contacts the cap) is full of gunk. I'll post a pic of the finish, I'm not sure what to use to try and clean it. Wont be able to get over to my old mans place (the range) till next thursday, but I'm gonna take some video and post it up! That way ya'll can see all my mistakes and constructively criticize me.




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Old February 11, 2012, 12:06 PM   #23
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WOW sorry for the HUGE pics , but you can most definitely see what I'm talking about
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Old February 11, 2012, 12:49 PM   #24
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I like it!

Nice lookin shootin iron! That's "character" on it, is all.
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Old February 11, 2012, 08:19 PM   #25
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Nice lookin shootin iron! That's "character" on it, is all.
That's right! You don't want yore gunn all prissyed up - it's gonna end up lookin thataway anyhow!!
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