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Old February 8, 2012, 09:06 AM   #26
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You won't live that down for awhile, eh?
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:10 AM   #27
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No, not likely to live it down anytime soon, since I already had a reputation for being a little bit of a leadfoot - this was just the first time I've been stopped.
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:10 AM   #28
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He probably wanted to make sure you guys wern't going to bust out of the van like the A team. He could have had a bad experience with a van before also I suppose.
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:16 AM   #29
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Officer Safety?

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The policeman not watching traffic but watching you the whole time would never see a flying car right on the white line before it was too late.
The odds of a van full of .mil doing something sinister to a local cop are infintesimally smaller than the odds of some rubbernecking motorist running him down.

Somewhat similar to the folks that agonize for endless hours over what caliber/ammo/gun to carryand what holster to carry it in, while never bothering to excercise, eat right, stop smoking ......
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:40 AM   #30
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Maybe the practice is just ingrained.
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Old February 8, 2012, 10:42 AM   #31
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Somewhat similar to the folks that agonize for endless hours over what caliber/ammo/gun to carry and what holster to carry it in, while never bothering to exercise, eat right, stop smoking ......
JimBob! Stop with the logic! You're going to make people uncomfortable!
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Old February 8, 2012, 11:13 AM   #32
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I am sure that the Officer in question will use other tactics once his crystal ball in his squad car is repaired.
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Old February 8, 2012, 12:32 PM   #33
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Forget about him walking backward.

A marked Military vehicle filled with GI types and the cop WROTE THE TICKET????
Tell me somebody is kidding me.

Firsd thought is a US government car on official duty can't be ticketed by a cop.
Second thought is this cops supervisor will have him working nights and weekends for the rest of his career.

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Old February 8, 2012, 01:43 PM   #34
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It's a government-owned van with government license plates, but it's just a blue 15-passenger Chevy van with no markings. As for government vehicles not being subject to traffic tickets, that's the first I've heard of it.

The area where I was stopped has a lot of speed traps. The officer handed me a price schedule along with the ticket, with all the fines/fees/court costs already filled out and totaled for me so I'd know exactly how much to pay. He also made it very clear that I could pay online or over the phone in order to avoid having to appear at the court.
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Old February 8, 2012, 01:57 PM   #35
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Firsd thought is a US government car on official duty can't be ticketed by a cop.
Don't know where you got that, but its totally bogus, if they drive on the streets they are subject to the same rules (and tickets) as everyone else.

What I find interesting about this topic is non cops instructing cops on officer safety.
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Old February 8, 2012, 02:31 PM   #36
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safety or paranoia..? geez louise. There are people who can't walk thru town without someone wanting to rob them and others who walk thru without even one person wanting to try it. its called being a mark...Pretty much how you carry yourself. Personally I think the same applies to police officers, some will never have a problem and some create enough tension where trouble seems inevitable.

to the fine officers on TFL Please don't take offense
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Old February 8, 2012, 02:45 PM   #37
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Norfolk is a military town, so yes, cops have no problem giving members of the military a ticket.

If I had a nickel for every time I saw a Norfolk cop do something strange, I'd have about... 50 cents, give or take.
Luckily, my personal interaction with them has been zero at this point.
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Old February 8, 2012, 03:56 PM   #38
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Maybe he thought you were all on your way to a Village People Convention, and might try pulling in a cop for the ensemble? Had to stay on guard, you know? Getting the indian might be a problem, not many reservations on the east coast.
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Old February 9, 2012, 11:02 PM   #39
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Normal for police to walk backwards from a stopped vehicle to their patrol car?
Only if there are no rocks on the highway.

While it might be put down as Officer Safety, I sure hope he checked the ground very well cause that's a good way to fall if there is anything in the road.

Better it would have been for him to turn sideways with his gun side away from the van (so no one would see him clutching his handgun) and walk back crossing one foot in front of the other (it's quite easy to do.)

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Old February 9, 2012, 11:29 PM   #40
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-walk back crossing one foot in front of the other
Ah yes, a CLASSIC move from the Fred Astaire school of self defense!
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Old February 9, 2012, 11:34 PM   #41
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Don't know where you got that, but its totally bogus, if they drive on the streets they are subject to the same rules (and tickets) as everyone else.


Tell that to a diplomat.
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Old February 10, 2012, 12:00 AM   #42
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Tell that to a diplomat
We aren't talking about diplomats, we're talking about military personal, and they do not have diplomatic immunity.
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Old February 10, 2012, 10:26 AM   #43
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I'm sure they have been trained to do that for their own safety. If you do it the same way every time then you won't develop bad habits. As soon as you trust someone and turn your back on them, that is the one that will shoot you in the back.
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Old February 10, 2012, 12:30 PM   #44
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A van full of 'Spooks' (NSA) --- and you wonder why he walked bacwards with his hand on his gun ?
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Old February 10, 2012, 12:46 PM   #45
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I didn't see it mentioned... did he walk backwards the OTHER time(s) he went back to his car?

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Old February 10, 2012, 01:01 PM   #46
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Wouldn't be a problem here the police never go on patrol unless there is at least two of them. One can give cover while the other deals with the driver.
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Old February 10, 2012, 01:43 PM   #47
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Maybe he was just practicing his moonwalk?
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Old February 10, 2012, 01:53 PM   #48
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Wouldn't be a problem here the police never go on patrol unless there is at least two of them. One can give cover while the other deals with the driver.
That isn't possible in many locations, I spent my 20 years in LE (Anchorage Police Dept.) working all by my self. Sure, if something happened I could call for assistence, but you don't do that at every traffic stop or other calls.

Ever heard of the Boy Who Called Wolf story?

Folk, something you need to understand, its possible to walk backwards with out getting hit by a car, (you can always glance up the street), its also possible to walk backwards with out tripping over items, regardless how rough the terrain.

Any decent shooting school that teaches movement while firing teaches you how to move your feet over uneven ground with out tripping.

Not that big of a deal.

Nor is it unreasonable to expect an officer to keep his eyes on something just in case it could turn out to be a threat. You never no where a threat will come form. Whats wrong with developing a pattern and sticking with it for your safety?
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Old February 10, 2012, 02:29 PM   #49
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Yeah, two man patrols are not at all reasonable in most places.

The county I live in is 715 square miles and we might have 3 county deputies and 2 state cars out there at any given time.

Alaska probably has areas 50 times that size with that many cars out.
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Old February 10, 2012, 02:58 PM   #50
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Would some of you guys prefer he did a combat roll while going back to his car? I'm joking!!!
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