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Old February 7, 2012, 07:55 PM   #26
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Steven Hunter; John Plaster....

Retired US Army officer(SF; SE Asia combat veteran) John Plaster wrote in his SOG(Special Ops Group or "Studies & Observations Group") books that he did not like or want pistols in combat. Plaster stated he'd rather pack another 40rd 5.56mm magazine on his web belt.
As a veteran, I can tell you that sidearms are useful for some limited applications but are not always a replacement or better than a SBS(short barrel shotgun) or SMG(sub machine gun) for close range missions.

Author Steven Hunter(I, Sniper; Point of Impact) is another great novel writer. Hunter(an NRA member & respected journalist) goes into DEEP detail in his novels.

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ps; I'd add that many spec ops veterans & operators prefer the larger 7.62mm or 7.62x51mm rifle over the smaller 5.56mmNATO.
Some SEALs refer to the 5.56mm M4 as a "poodle-shooter". Lol.
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Old February 7, 2012, 08:04 PM   #27
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"protagonist in the story are former SF operators, havent decided on which branch"

I would go with former NSA blackops unit personnel (one an ex-Delta Force member and one an ex-Navy Seal) and they would carry the CZ 97 which I believe is the 40 S&W. I would also add a third member of the team a Lt. Col. Linda Day who was a USAF Para-Rescue Ranger and holds two degrees one in micro-biology and a second in germ warfare, she uses a specially equipted CZ 83 with exploding bullets.

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Old February 7, 2012, 09:12 PM   #28
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No Such Agency; "Grey Fox", ISA...

To my knowledge, the National Security Agency, HQed at Fort Meade MD has no "black ops" unit and does not engage in covert/special ops.
If they have or require any "spec ops" the SECDEF(Sec of Defense) or the US Special Operations Command(USSOCOM) in sunny Tampa FL(MacDill Air Force Base) assigns the ISA(Intel Support Activity or "Knob Turners") or the Grey Fox squadron of the CAG(Combat Applications Group).
The US Army's "Delta Force" was disbanded & re-organized after 9/11/2001 by Vice President Cheney & SECDEF "Big Don" Rumsfeld.

The "CAG" & other US military spec ops do have female members in what they call funny squads but that's all CLASSIFIED, oops...
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Old February 7, 2012, 09:29 PM   #29
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This is suppost to be a work of fiction (LOL) "Gray Fox" I like that. They are all members of some former units. And the NSA doesn't do black ops, yep your right. By the way they are reading these posts right now.

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Old February 7, 2012, 10:04 PM   #30
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Carney, Richard "Dick" Meadows, DESERT ONE...

Lt Col Carney(USAF) was sent alone into Iran to set up a NSA/military transmitter prior to the main Delta unit & "Broken Claw" spec ops in the US Iran hostage rescue mission. Carney explains part of that op in his book.
Major Richard Meadows(US Army SF, retired) went into Tehran, Iran NOC(non offical cover) to assist with the mission too.
Meadows, a living legand in US spec ops & MAC-V-SOG veteran worked undercover(covertly) with a small unit that included highly trained female service members in what called; DESERT SUN.
In the action film; The Package(1989, www.imdb.com) the spec ops unit was called the "Sundown Unit".
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Old February 7, 2012, 11:34 PM   #31
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Retired US Army officer(SF; SE Asia combat veteran) John Plaster wrote in his SOG(Special Ops Group or "Studies & Observations Group") books that he did not like or want pistols in combat
Well I wasn't special ops or anything fancy, but as just a sorry old grunt, infantryman in this case I'd say Plaster is full of horse poop.

I carried a 1911a1 and found it quite handy; It beats the hell of of any rifle when in the confines of a slimmy mud hole little peopel used as tunnels, or when a gun ('60) burns up it tides you over until you can get a rifle off a wounded comrad.

Not to mention, when your in the rear it beats carrying a "pig" through the chow line or down town when you sneak out the wire.
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Old February 8, 2012, 02:25 PM   #32
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It's interesting that you say that Captain Stuart, because I ws thinking about how I was issued a Beretta, whenever I was walking around inside the wire in either just a t-shirt and shorts, or PTs, I would always have my M-4A1.

The only time I actually carried my pistol was when I went outside the wire.
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Old February 8, 2012, 03:33 PM   #33
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LMAO Thats some good dialogue! I think I'll have to change that a little and paraphrase that (if thats alright with you) so yeah I think that could deff work, thanks!
For sure, I just gave you retorts I would tell my buddies when they would try to knock my choice of handgun. Good luck writing!
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Old February 8, 2012, 04:42 PM   #34
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Ok let me give a little more info on my idea. The two characters are no longer in the military, but are working down in mexico creating havoc for the cartels. They are not working for anyone, just doing it for the hell of it.
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Old February 15, 2012, 03:33 AM   #35
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hids54, i say go with 357sig cal., nato may adopt it in near future. even if nato doesn't, it could be a "personal" sidearm vs. a "issued" sidearm, and your work is fiction, so it doesn't really matter as long as technical side is correct and you've done your research.
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Old February 15, 2012, 07:15 PM   #36
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If they are no longer in the military then you don't have to worry about what they would be issued. But even if your a retired Vietnam vet does that mean you have to use the old M16? No.

Currently the Navy SEALs have chosen the HK45CT (compact tactical) over the Sig P226 and the MK 23 which was never really used much in the first place because it was a huge sidearm. The switch over to the HK45CT was recent.

And the SEALs use a lot of HK firearms period. HK416 (their version of the M4) HKG36 and now the HK45CT

HK are very expensive but IMHO they are the best. I have a USP .45 and I trust me life to it no problem. Its a tank. Never failed and feels a lot more refined than my glock 30.

Reason I have the glock 30? Easier to carry than a USP and didnt have the $$ for a new HK45c but one should be in my possession soon
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