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Old January 27, 2012, 07:23 AM   #1
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"clean" gun design

I get miffed when I see rifles that are poorly designed. Like a detachable magazine that protrudes 1/2" from the stock, when it could have easily been made to fit flush with the stock. Or a safety mechanism that looks like a piece of a soda can.
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Old January 27, 2012, 08:43 AM   #2
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I agree with you very much so, but thats the world we live in now.
If you want the real guns you have got to pay for them, and right now alot of folks are short of cash.
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:20 AM   #3
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:29 AM   #4
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And also, http://hillcountryrifles.com/catalog...ifles-in-stock
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:31 AM   #5
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That's why I buy 95% old guns. New guns have no soul.
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Old January 27, 2012, 10:03 AM   #6
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When you said "clean" gun designs, I imediately thought of all these "tactical" guns (Mossberg's new black levergun being the absolute worst example) with rails everywhere but where they might be useful ..... sharp edges in places where they seem truly purposed for no other reason than to require the user to buy a good supply of leather gloves if he wants to shoot these thing in anything like a timely fashion ...... either that or bleed on the gun a lot.....

Abel-

I was beginning to wonder if the hunting world had come to it's senses when it seemed to forget about "Ultralight" Rifles...... IMO, centerfire rifles in the 5lb range are just silly- in any serious hunting caliber, they are going to recoil enough as to make practice unpleasant.... and saving 2-3 lbs on a rifle gains what, exactly? Most folks would do well to carry an extra 3 lbs of rifle around a bit more often- it would soon cause them to lose some of the extra lbs they are carryng around now, and tone up their arms a bit..... further helping with recoil management..... so many of the new shooters today lament that the .30-06 and .270WIN kick SOOOO HARD!
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Old January 27, 2012, 10:14 AM   #7
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jimbob, my legs cheated on me; they went and got too old to carry a heavy rifle around for very long. I loaned out my 9.5-pound '06 and grabbed onto a 700 Ti in 7mm08. 6.5 pounds, fully dressed, is not only easier to tote, it's easier for my arthritic shoulder when I pick it up. Overall, the change basically means I pull in my horns a bit for those way-over-yonder shots.

And it's a cleanly built rifle, in keeping with gringojosh's ideas--with which I'm in full accord. I don't like add-on doo-dads and sharp edges.
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Old January 27, 2012, 10:41 AM   #8
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So, the Ultralights have a legitimate niche- that of the seasoned citizen? OK, I'll buy that..... no ...... no, I won't: I will hunt with what I have until I can not..... the day I can't pick up the gun is going to be well past the day when I can shoot it sufficiently to be sure of hitting what I am shooting at come hunting season ..... I'll stick with my old fashioned wood and blued steel 10 lb. ballistic and physical tharapy aid......

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jimbob, my legs cheated on me; they went and got too old to carry a heavy rifle around for very long.
Did your legs cheat on you, or did you cheat your legs?
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:53 AM   #9
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the day I can't pick up the gun is going to be well past the day when I can shoot it sufficiently to be sure of hitting what I am shooting at come hunting season ....

.... Did your legs cheat on you, or did you cheat your legs?
I detect the voice of the young... Lord knows when I was in my 30's I felt as you do. But the fact is, people get old, and even the best cared for best maintained body will eventually start to show the effects of wear and tear.

At 45, I do not yet feel the effects of age, except for my eyes. I can still do pretty much anything I could do at age 25. But I can see those effects are slowly coming. My back is far less tolerant of abuse, my knees and shoulders creak and groan. No matter how much I excersize and eat right, the day will come when my knees or my back will start to restrict what I can do. At that point, it starts to become very hard to stay in shape... you can't run/cycle/swim without healthy joints.

So be kind to folks like Art, and don't be judgmental. We all get there.
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Old January 27, 2012, 12:03 PM   #10
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It would be hard to find a military rifle with the smooth, clean lines of a M1903 but reality being reality on today's battlefield its just can't compete with the mass firepower present guns produce today.

Then again, those fancy tacticool guns just wont compete in the hunting field with a sleek Model 70 Featherweight.
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Old January 27, 2012, 12:04 PM   #11
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I don't know where Art is in life, but he's right about the guns getting heavier.

When I reach into the safe to pull out some of the varmint guns, I DO notice how heavy they are.
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Old January 27, 2012, 12:14 PM   #12
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This is the way I feel about the CZ .22 rifles. They look like very well made rifles and they certainly get a lot of favorable comments online. But I really don't like the way that magazine looks. And when I hold one in my hands, I really don't like that trigger guard. It looks like a simple flat piece of steel that was bent into shape.

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Old January 27, 2012, 02:21 PM   #13
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I first met Art a few years ago IIRC he is in his 70's. I'd say that he has been on the lean side all his life never once cheating his legs. Time just catches up with us all in the end and we can't do what we once did.
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Old January 27, 2012, 02:25 PM   #14
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I guess I value how a rifle shoots more than how it looks. But on the other hand, while most people call savages ugly I think they look 10x better than all those old rifles. If the rifle stock is made of any kind of wood, its an automatic eye sore for me.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess
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Old January 27, 2012, 05:43 PM   #15
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I like a light rifle. Mine shoots fine. If you think they're silly, don't buy one. That's what a free market is all about. If Joe Schmoe wants a 4.75lb 30-06, that's between him and his bank account and the gunsmith. What I think shouldn't factor into it at all.
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Old January 27, 2012, 08:20 PM   #16
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Well, I'm 77. Had Cadillac surgery on the old eyebones a year ago, and I'm back to doing okay with iron sights. What's not to like about that?

Been doing more pistol shooting, lately, than rifle shooting. But the last time out from working over an AR that was good for one MOA with irons, I got one MOA with a K4 on the other upper. So I ain't doin' so bad for an Olde Phart.

I guess the KISS principle gets to be more of a guide with age, maybe. I like my rifles with clean lines, just like my ladies.

As far as the OP's comments, for example, my gripe with the Ruger Scout is the magazine design. I've never needed more than a couple of shots on any deer I ever messed with, so why ten? And I'd rather have another inch of barrel length than that do-dad they stuck on the front. However, the Scout is indeed a good shooter, so I don't gripe real loud.
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Old January 27, 2012, 08:56 PM   #17
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Im 52 and still out do most younger than me. But I just hurt more at the end of the day. I look out for my dad now. He wanted a lever gun 45-70, but I got him a marlin 44 mag/ 44 special. Hes on some meds that make him bruise easy so I did what I had to. He loves his new baby, I put a scope on it for his good eye. He takes it all the time now with him. He gave me the old sporterized mauser 8mm he use to tote, its heavy. Be sides in the woods he will never have over a 100 yard shot, and its hard to beat a lever gun for looks and they tote so nice. And the 44 should pack all the power he needs and who can tell me this is not a nice looking rifle.
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:01 PM   #18
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If Joe Schmoe wants a 4.75lb 30-06, that's between him and his bank account and the gunsmith.
If he shoots it much, I'm sure there will be an orthopedic surgeon involved in there somewheres..... and then his bank account will cry bloody murder, and the gunsmith will lose some business......
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Old January 27, 2012, 09:33 PM   #19
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Ah, manure. Shootin' a 4.75lb '06 ain't no worse than shootin' a 9.5lb 338 Win Mag or a 7.5lb Marlin 1895G 45-70. Everything is relative.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:12 PM   #20
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Call me a wimp I guess. At 52, I like my .243 pretty well. I can handle a heavy recoiling rifle for hunting but danged if I can stand to sight it in shooting it at paper. I got rid of a Ruger M77 RL in .270 that weighed just over 6lbs cause it was just so unpleasant to shoot.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:23 PM   #21
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I was eye balling a savage 99 in 243 the other day, and Im wishing I would have gotten it. I ve always thought they were clean, ill just say good looking and working rifle. Even though I have several bolt guns Ive never warmed up to them as others. I even have some bolt guns I want get rid of either.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:26 PM   #22
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I like clean lines too. Would much rather see a .22 rifle with a tube feed than a dinky magazine sticking out underneath.
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Old January 27, 2012, 11:40 PM   #23
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Now your talking. Ive been working on some project guns Ive aquired. All old beat up 22s with tube mags.A malin 81 pre WW2. A savage 987. And now Im working on a marlin 60. Love them 22s
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Old January 28, 2012, 01:57 AM   #24
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clean lines/sleek lines

Here are some of my favorites:

Rifles- Win M88, Savage 99, Rem 14 and 141, M1 Garand, Ruger tube feed
.44 carbine

Shotguns: Win M12, Win 42, straight combed doubles w/ minimal forearms

Handguns: Walther PPK, Sig 230, Luger P08, Colt Python, Smith N's with
tapered barrels, M27, 28, 25 etc
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Old January 28, 2012, 05:46 AM   #25
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Clean lines? Mauser Model B, Winchester Model 70, Ruger 77, Sauer 200, Winchester Model 21, Merkel O/U, Browning Superposed, P35/BHP, Walther PPK, Colt Python.
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